Under The Gloss with Phoebe Burgess

Sasha Kutabah Sarago was told she was “too pretty to be Aboriginal” as a child. Since that moment, the author and model has been working to decolonise beauty. On today’s episode, Sasha joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to talk about hiding her culture to avoid conflict, why she brought her own makeup to photo shoots and how Rihanna changed the beauty game.

You can pick up a copy of Gigorou by Sasha Kutabah Sarago here: https://www.booktopia.com.au/gigorou-sasha-kutabah-sarago/book/9780645476736.html Gigorouwww.booktopia.com.au

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Lilly Luhrmann grew up in the bright lights of Hollywood, spending her younger years on movie sets alongside her parents, Baz Luhrmann and Catherine Martin. On today’s episode, Lilly joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat all things fashion and family. She opens up about going to school being followed by the paparazzi, about fighting over Baz’s pearls, the reality of managing at a dive bar, owning her nepo baby status, planning Oscars outfits and why she’s her parents’ OG fan.

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Heartbreak High’s Chloé Hayden isn’t afraid to make waves. The Netflix star called out ableism and discrimination at a Harry Styles concert – resulting in a one-on-one meeting with the stadium’s CEO. Not only is she an advocate, she’s an author, animal lover and the first Australian actor with autism to co-lead a global TV series. On today’s episode, Chloé joins Phoebe to chat about making the world more accessible for everyone, how school almost took her life and why she still has to fight so hard to exist in public.

Content warning: this episode of Under The Gloss discusses suicidal ideation, so please listen with care.

If this episode raises any issues or concerns, you can reach out to Lifeline on 131114 or at www.lifeline.org.au, or the Butterfly Foundation at www.butterfly.org.au.

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New York Times best-selling author Sloane Crosley first shot to the literary limelight with her hit debut novel, I Was Told There’d Be Cake – which she wrote while holding down a successful career as a book publicist. Sloane has since quit her day job and embraced life as a full-time author, spending her days writing, napping and eating cheese. On today’s episode of Under the Gloss, Sloane joins Phoebe from New York City to chat about her newest novel, Cult Classic, the reality of dating, using humour for intelligence, why you shouldn’t bin your ex, and why 37 is a scary age.

Cult Classic - https://www.sloanecrosley.com/cult-classic 

All About Women - https://www.sydneyoperahouse.com/events/whats-on/all-about-women/2023/the-world-according-to-sloane-crosley.html

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Jean Oelwang has found the secret power behind the most successful people in the world. The Founding President and CEO of Virgin Unite has spent the past 15 years figuring out exactly what makes people tick – and she’s unloading her expertise on today’s episode of Under The Gloss. Jean joins Phoebe to chat about how you can create your own success, the importance of leveraging partnerships for growth and why you should embrace conflict – not run way from it.

Jean’s book is out now: Partnering: Forge the Deep Connections that Make Great Things Happen

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Activist and author Deni Todorovič was turned down by four cabs because they were wearing heels and a mini skirt. That didn’t happen overseas – it happened right here in Australia, in 2023. On today’s episode of Under The Gloss, Deni joins Phoebe to chat about how they always felt innately different, why we’ve been conditioned to fear the queer community, the power of visibility and why being trans is so much more than a pronoun.

Connect with Deni @StyleByDeni

See all the stars of Vogue’s special Pride issue here - https://www.vogue.com.au/culture/pride/all-together-now-meet-the-stars-of-vogue-australias-2023-pride-issue/image-gallery/df557f49329549b9fcf5a273491b8e6c 

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Raising boys has never been more confronting, challenging – even scary. In a world with so many conflicting narratives around what it means to be a man, The Man Cave CEO Hunter Johnson is undoing the troubling behaviours around toxic masculinity. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Hunter joins Phoebe in the Vogue studio to chat about boyhood, the damaging effect of locker rooms and how intergenerational trauma has led to toxic mindsets.

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Victoria Vanstone loved to party. She partied so hard that she once blew her finger off with a firework at a New Year's Eve party. For the first 20 years of her life, Victoria wasn't sober, but she also didn't consider herself to be a problematic drinker. She fell somewhere in between going to the pub and going to a support meeting. On this episode of Under The Gloss, Victoria joins Phoebe to chat about how her binge drinking went unnoticed, coping with motherhood and a hangover, falling into the gray area and why being sober is the most rebellious thing you could do. 

Trigger warning: We will be discussing issues relating to problematic drinking and addiction so please, as always, listen with care

To hear more from Victoria, you can find her co-hosting the podcast Sober Awkward.

You can find William Porter's book – Alcohol Explained here.

Sober curious? Discover our other sobriety episodes below: 

Sarah-Jane Clarke is sober-ish 

Accidentally sober: Phoebe opens up about life without alcohol

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As the co-founder of sass & bide, Sarah-Jane Clarke’s days were filled with fashion shows, boutique openings and glamorous parties. What followed was endless binge drinking, hangovers and crippling anxiety. But three years after shedding her identity with sass & bide, she also ended her relationship with alcohol. On today’s episode, Phoebe sits down with Sarah-Jane to chat about embarking on a sober-ish lifestyle, the challenges she’s faced and why alcohol is the only drug we need to justify not taking.

Trigger warning: We will be discussing issues relating to alcohol consumption and problematic drinking so please, as always, listen with care.

If you want to hear more from our sobriety series, you can listen to our earlier episode below.

Accidentally sober: Phoebe opens up about life without alcohol

Find out more about Sarah Jane Clarke via her website.

Interested in This Naked Mind? Get ahold of the book here.

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Are you sober curious? For Phoebe, it was more accidental than planned. On this episode of Under The Gloss, we turn the tables and invite Felicity Harley, podcast host of Healthy-ish and Extra Healthy-ish, to ask Phoebe about the reason why she chose to embrace a sober lifestyle, how she deals with social events and the delicate balance of motherhood and alcohol.

Trigger warning: We will be discussing issues relating to alcohol consumption so please, as always, listen with care

Want to hear more? Then head over to Body+Soul's podcasts Healthy-ish (here) and Extra Healthy-ish (here) to discover how Phoebe tackles parties without a champagne in hand.

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