We discuss why going to EITHER the Novus Ordo Mass or Traditional Latin Mass doesn't guarantee a greater participation, the importance of maintaining liturgical practices, the impact of these traditions on faith and community, and the significance of symbols in faith, especially in the liturgy and art.

We also discuss how to cultivate a deeper understanding of scripture in a materialistic culture. The discussion emphasizes the beauty of the liturgy and the need for a symbolic imagination to appreciate the richness of the faith.

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