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June 30 Jason Burke on Iran, Entebbe - and how to fight global terror
A wave of antisemitic terror swept across Western Europe this spring — and one man appears to have been behind it all. This week, Yonit and Jonathan hear the full, remarkable story as they sit down with Jason Burke, The Guardian's international security correspondent and terrorism expert. He describes how a single Iraqi-Iranian dual national is accused of leveraging both social media and teenage criminals to orchestrate what looked like a series of scattered attacks but was, in fact, a coordinated proxy campaign. And they discuss the broader questions: has the long arm of Iranian terror been constrained at all by US-Israeli military action? Did October 7th represent a strategic break from Iran's usual playbook — or was it a tactical aberration? And as the 50th anniversary of the raid on Entebbe approaches, was that operation a turning point in the long history of global terrorism - and what can be done now to beat back the menace of terror?

00:00 Introduction to Jason Burke and His Work
02:23 Profile of Mohammed Bakr Saad, Al-Sadi
05:13 Al-Sadi's Operations and Recruitment Methods
07:50 The Arrest of Al-Sadi and His Plans in the US
12:42 Impact of Al-Sadi's Arrest on Terror Operations
15:26 October 7th: An Evolution or Aberration in Terrorism?
19:06 The Role of Qatar in Terror Financing
22:55 Countering Terrorism: Challenges and Strategies
26:05 The Significance of the Entebbe Raid
30:03 Convergence of Leftist and Islamist Terrorism
33:01 The Evolution of Terrorism and Its Future

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40 min
June 25 Reality bites: Trump, Bibi and the Mamdani Effect
The new reality of Washington’s relationship with Israel is slowly sinking in — and it’s not pretty. As JD Vance grows visibly chummier with Qatar and Pakistan than with Israeli officials, Yonit and Jonathan discuss the likely impact of the shift and whether Israel’s old assumption — that an American president will always have its back — has to be discarded for good. Then: as the Mamdani effect ripples through New York’s primaries, sweeping in a slate of politicians sharply critical of Israel, the two debate who’s really to blame.

Plus: Keir Starmer’s resignation and likely successor, two former Israeli PMs along with a veritable platoon of former and current IDF commanders denounce settler violence in the West Bank - and a Jewish American comic genius reaches a milestone.

00:00 The World Cup and Jewish Connections
04:25 Israel's Changing Geopolitical Landscape
16:02 Shifts in American Politics and Israel's Position
24:04 The Nuances of Anti-Semitism and Political Shifts
29:13 Israeli Politics: Elections and Controversies
35:47 The Resignation of Keir Starmer and Its Implications
43:23 Celebrating Mel Brooks: A Comedy Legend
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46 min
June 22 Naftali Bennett
Israel just learned that the US and Iran have agreed to a deconfliction cell with Lebanon — and Israel wasn't in the room. As the dust settles on a war whose outcome is, at best, ambiguous, Yonit and Jonathan sit down with former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, who wants his old job back.
Bennett doesn't hold back: on why he believes this government dragged out a war Israel was never built to fight, on the "infinite power of propaganda" keeping Netanyahu afloat three years after October 7th, and on whether he can trust Trump — or JD Vance — to look out for Israel's interests when Israel isn't at the table. He also lays out, in detail, what he'd do differently on the Haredi draft, the judiciary, the Palestinians, and Ben Gvir and Smotrich — and admits the polls aren't moving the way he hoped.

00:00 Introduction: Naftali Bennett joins Unholy
00:09 The Iran deal and the deconfliction cell with Lebanon
03:18 Would he have avoided this war altogether?
06:29 Did Netanyahu prolong the war for political reasons?
08:05 Trust in Trump and JD Vance on Iran
13:11 Reports the Trump administration is opening channels to him
15:19 What would actually change if Bennett became PM?
17:39 The Kogat story: improving Palestinian quality of life without a state
21:51 Pushback: is a two-state "spectrum" really viable?
24:06 Why he opposes full Palestinian sovereignty
24:39 Mansour Abbas and Arab parties in a Bennett coalition
26:52 Lapid, the polls, and stepping aside for Eisenkot
29:34 Judicial reform: would he continue where this government left off?
31:26 Why Ben Gvir and Smotrich are out
33:51 Fears of a "January 6th" scenario in Israel
36:16 Was joining forces with Lapid a mistake?
39:21 Did Bennett change, or did Israel change?
42:05 The story that brought him back: a scientist in tears
44:43 How is Netanyahu still in this race?
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55 min
June 18 E-Signed, Sealed, Delivered
As the U.S.-Iran Memorandum of Understanding is signed in Versailles — covering a ceasefire, sanctions relief, and billions in unfrozen assets, but saying nothing about uranium enrichment, centrifuges, ballistic missiles, or Iran's proxies — Israel is left reading a deal it wasn't part of and only received hours before Trump's signature. Yonit is joined this week by CNN senior global affairs analyst and Unholy co-author Bianna Golodryga, live from a New York celebrating the Knicks' first championship in 53 years, for a conversation about what this MOU actually says, what it doesn't, and what it means for a country that spent 40 days in shelters waiting for something better than this.
Plus: a Cornell sophomore makes headlines for the wrong reasons, and a design school in Israel sends wounded soldiers down a runway.

02:09 Responses to the MOU in Israel and the U.S.
06:59 Concerns from Israel Regarding the MOU
11:20 Netanyahu's Position and Reactions
17:24 Implications for U.S.-Israel Relations and Regional Dynamics
24:42 The Political Landscape of the Iran Deal
27:08 Consequences of the Ceasefire and Future Implications
28:56 Comparing Past and Present Iran Agreements
31:03 Economic Reactions and Military Posturing
32:49 The Changing Dynamics of U.S.-Israel Relations
35:28 Chutzpah: Cornell Sophomore Austin Franco
37:30 Mensch: Shenkar College Designs for Wounded Soldiers
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40 min
June 16 Nir Bar Dea on the New World Order, AI, and Israel's Risks
This week’s Unholy conversations is a rare interview with Nir Bar Dea, CEO of Bridgewater—the world's largest hedge fund. Bar Dea moves beyond market trends, framing our current moment as a volatile collision between a changing world order, and an unprecedented technological revolution fueled by AI. He offers a sobering perspective on why the comfort of the last several decades has perhaps left us less resilient than the generations before us, urging listeners to view history not as destiny, but as a lesson in the necessity of strength during turbulent times.
The conversation turns personal, too: Bar Dea talks about the toll of his own service in the Israeli Air Force, what it's like being Israeli in New York since October 7th, and why he believes Israel's younger generation might be its greatest asset.
00:00 Intro
01:10 The Iran-US deal and why timing doesn't matter
06:25 Trump as outcome, not cause
09:30 Tough love: why we feel overwhelmed
10:59 Israel's resilient next generation
24:49 The AI infrastructure race — and Israel's gap
27:11 Being Israeli in New York since October 7th
32:54 The hidden cost of IDF service
35:02 Bridgewater's radical transparency culture
41:51 Rebuilding from Nir Oz — a story of hope

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43 min
June 11 Bibi’s Tightrope, Eisenkot’s Rise, Iran’s Shadow, and the U.S. Primary Wars
Yonit is joined by Yaakov Katz, author, columnist and former editor of the Jerusalem Post, and together they try to make sense of a week that had it all: a 17-hour mini-war with Iran, Trump growing visibly impatient -- and Netanyahu caught between his base and the White House. Israeli politics see the Israeli PM focusing on the rising political threat of Gadi Eisenkot, who for the first time has pulled ahead of Netanyahu in head-to-head polling for Prime minister -- and how the Likud is trying to turn his English skills into a liability. Then it's across the Atlantic — to an oyster farmer in Maine with a Nazi tattoo, a Michigan primary, and a New Jersey candidate with troubling ties, all pointing to a shift in American politics that Israelis aren't paying nearly enough attention to. Plus: our Chutzpah and Mensch awards — one goes to a Jewish politician building a very disturbing database, and the other heads to the World Cup.
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45 min
June 10 Dr. Galit Atlas on Trauma and Emotional Inheritance
Israeli children are still running to shelters. The hostages are home, but the wars keep coming. And somewhere underneath it all — the October 7th trauma, the Iran strikes, the hostages, the endless sirens — something is being passed down to the next generation, whether we mean to or not.
This week, Yonit sits down with Dr. Galit Atlas, psychoanalyst and author of Emotional Inheritance, to ask the questions most of us are afraid to answer: what does prolonged, unprocessed national trauma do to a people? How do Jewish rituals of memory — Passover, Holocaust Remembrance Day — help or harm? And is there actually hope on the other side of all this?
Dr. Atlas's new book, Come Closer: Childhood Wounds, Adult Love and the Secrets of Emotional Intimacy, is out in September.
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28 min
June 08 Special Update - Iran and Israel Clash, Trump says 'Stop'
Iran broke a two-month ceasefire on Sunday night, launching missiles at Israel after Netanyahu struck Hezbollah headquarters in Beirut. By Monday, Trump declared an immediate stop — but the questions it raised won't close that easily.
In this emergency update, Yonit and Jonathan are joined by Amos Harel — Haaretz's military affairs analyst and author of 629: Anatomy of a Failure — to break down the calculus on every side. Did Netanyahu engineer the escalation ahead of October elections? Is Trump more irritated by Israel than by Iran? And after everything — is Iran actually stronger now than before the war started?
⏱ CHAPTERS:
[00:00] Intro — The 24 hours that shook the region
[00:15] Yonit breaks down what happened: sirens, missiles, school closures
[03:45] Amos Harel joins: Is the escalation cycle behind us?
[05:17] Did Netanyahu plan the Beirut strike — knowing Iran would respond?
[08:06] The thought experiment: Would this happen with different leaders?
[11:27] Netanyahu's bind: angering his base or angering Trump
[13:20] Iran's nuclear endgame — a historian's warning
[17:30] Trump's frustration: Is Israel now the obstacle?
[21:57] The chief of staff trolled Netanyahu live
[25:12] Can Netanyahu actually delay the October elections?
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29 min
June 04 Bombs and F-bombs: Trump, Netanyahu and ceasefire talks
The fragile ceasefire agreement between Israel and the Lebanese government is overshadowed by an already notorious phone call where Donald Trump reportedly dropped multiple F-bombs on Benjamin Netanyahu for threatening Israeli strikes on Beirut. Yonit and Jonathan dissect the increasing strain in the US-Israel relationship - and a new equation set by Iran that will alarm all Israelis.
Meanwhile, two warning signs this week for the state of Israeli democracy, as Netanyahu appoints his personal lawyer as State Comptroller, with members of the Knesset pressured to reveal their secret ballot - and a mob vandalizes the home of a Supreme Court justice in a bid to intimidate the judiciary over demands to exempt the ultra-Orthodox from mandatory military service.
Also - an inquiry into antisemitism in UK’s cherished NHS, while Canada’s PM admits the country failed its Jews, prompting a new advisory council with a questionable membership. And finally (and thankfully), it’s a crowded field for our mensch of the week award.

00:00 Introduction and Overview of Current Events
02:47 The Impact of Smartphones on Society
05:38 Ceasefire Agreements and Regional Tensions
09:22 US-Israel Relations and Political Dynamics
13:13 Political Appointments and Democratic Erosion in Israel
18:50 Judicial Intimidation and the Rule of Law
23:02 Global Anti-Semitism and Responses
29:35 Celebrating Women in Film: Helen Mirren and Emma Thompson
35:17 A Culinary Milestone: Mutra's Michelin Star

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38 min
June 02 Amos Harel on the Anatomy of a Failure - how October 7 happened
This week, Yonit and Jonathan sit down with acclaimed military and intelligence analyst Amos Harel to discuss his new book 6:29 -Anatomy of a Failure — a devastating, meticulously reported account of October 7th and the collapse that preceded it. Drawing on internal investigations, intelligence materials, battlefield testimony and conversations with senior officials, Harel reconstructs how Israel failed at every level: intelligence, operations - and strategy.
They discuss the “Walls of Jericho” Hamas attack plan that Israeli intelligence possessed years in advance; the SIM card warnings and the signs missed in the final hours before the massacre; the operational chaos that left communities abandoned for hours; and why Harel believes October 7th could likely have been prevented.
The conversation also examines Benjamin Netanyahu’s role in the years leading up to the attack: the Qatar cash pipeline to Hamas, the belief that the Palestinian conflict could be indefinitely “managed,” the judicial overhaul crisis, and the refusal — still now — to establish a state commission of inquiry.
Plus: why Hezbollah’s hesitation on October 7th may have prevented an even greater catastrophe, whether Israel has actually learned the lessons of that day, and why Harel believes the battle over the public memory of October 7th may define Israel’s coming elections.
NOTE: Amos Harel's Book, 6:29 - Anatomy of a Failure, will be published in English Later this year.
⏱ CHAPTERS:
[00:00] 6:29 — anatomy of a failure
[06:55] The Intelligence Failures Leading to October 7th
[21:05] “Where Was the Army?” — The Operational Collapse
[32:10] Netanyahu, Qatar, and the Strategic Failure Before the War
[41:40] Hezbollah, Iran, and the Attack That Could Have Been Bigger
[45:25] Can Israel Prevent Another October 7th?
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54 min

About Unholy: Two Jews on the News

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Yonit Levi of Israel's Channel 12 News and Jonathan Freedland of The Guardian are two of the most prominent journalists in the world today. They are also Jews. Each week, join what MSNBC's Rachel Maddow calls "two great, smart smart smart hosts" as they dissect and debate current events shaping Israel, Jewish life - and the wider world.