Episode 105: Verne Harnish, founder of the Entrepreneurs’ Organization (EO) and author of Scaling Up, joins John for a candid conversation about growth, grit, and gratitude. Verne shares why most companies stumble in the “valleys of death,” how focus and boldness shape success, and why mentorship matters at every stage. He also reflects on pursuing big goals later in life—and what it means to keep playing to win.