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If Deng Xiaoping were still with us today, how would he navigate the current dynamics between the United States and China?

To explore this question and beyond, Endgame invites Victor Gao—who once worked directly with the great man.

Victor and Gita exchange many thoughts, all hinging on one central observation: America’s misunderstanding of China’s international posture is both evident and consequential.

In this 70-minute conversation, Victor guides us through how the world should truly read China—its history, strategy, and worldview.

Thumbnail photo credit: Jan Reinier van der Vliet from Nexus Institute (https://nexus-instituut.nl/person/victor-gao)

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About the Guest:Victor Gao is the Vice President of the Center for China and Globalization (CCG) and Chair Professor at Soochow University.

About the Host:Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy.

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