Ready for another fun ride on the VWO Podcast?
Joining us for Episode No. 9 of the Women In CRO series is the 'OG' conversion copywriter Joanna Wiebe.
This special podcast series is dedicated to the incredible women who've shaped the CRO space and paved the way for even more women to join the industry.
Joanna Wiebe is the founder of Copyhackers.com, the go-to platform for tutorials, courses, and other marketing resources aimed at helping freelancers, copywriters, startups, and marketers achieve their conversion goals.
With 15+ years of experience, Joanna is a true copywriting Guru. She joins our host Jomol Varghese in this episode to share her journey, aspirations, career plans, and thoughts about the CRO industry.
Joanna is the original conversion copywriter, helping amazing brands like BT, Canva, Glowforge, Intuit, MetaLab, Sprout Social and VWO optimize their copy.
In this episode, Joanna talks about why men in power should be willing to bring more women into leadership positions and sheds light on the lack of female representation at tech events and CRO conferences.
Joanna also shares her thoughts on the impact of AI on copywriting and explains how you can use it to your advantage, rather than avoiding it altogether.
Tune in to this fun and engaging episode from the Women In CRO series and get a chance to learn more about the amazing women who are helping the industry grow.
(00:00) - Start of the episode
(02:45) - Joanna Wiebe & Jomol Varghese (host) begin the conversation
(05:50) - Childhood aspirations and being intrigued by advertising
(08:54) - Evolution of copywriting and how the industry views it
(14:14) - Lack of female representation in CRO and tech
(20:54) - How AI impacted copywriters in 2023 and why their perception has changed in 2024
(26:13) - Convincing brands to build a culture of experimentation
(32:47) - Importance of psychological triggers
(37:12) - Favorite copywriting principles
(41:19) - Biggest challenge in CRO today
(45:55) - Most memorable achievements in experimentation
(54:59) - How organizations can improve female representation and promote inclusivity
(59:48) - Predictions for the future of CRO
(1:04:06) - Being fascinated by the sales process in large organizations
(1:05:53) - Advice for women who want to make it big in CRO
(1:08:07) - Surprise 'rapid fire' round
(1:16:48) - Joanna & Jomol sign off