We finally have our first Caucasian guest, Jason Avery! We talk about the impact of the fires, growing up in the Midwest, what inspired him to move west, Tongan food, how he has always been creating, his earliest influences, Bob Ross, school, how lame his college was, how and why he paints what he does, and what he is going after when he creates a painting. Lots of interesting ideas and thoughtful philosophies dissected on this episode. Pretty deep discussion at times. Next time? More fart jokes.