Can we be honest? This episode almost didn't happen because The Perrys found themselves in a funk when it was time to record. Jackie admits she’s recently felt as though she’s been holding back the hand of depression. Preston reflects on spiritual opposition he’s felt during this busy season with projects and upcoming plans. So, what does it look like to fight back against anger, irritation, or sadness? It looks like leaning into spiritual disciplines – to the degree you have the strength to do them – and finding community with one another, as they model in today’s episode.

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