Get your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW:https://books.endgame.id/Also available on Amazon:https://sgpp.me/amazon/Leave your review here:www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes---------------Power shapes history, but character shapes the future. Democracies do not collapse in a single dramatic moment; they erode quietly through short-term thinking and the loss of moral clarity.General Wesley Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, sat down with Gita Wirjawan to reflect on peace, military involvement in global security, and America’s changing identity in a multipolar world.The discussion spans the Middle East, Russia–Ukraine, nuclear risks, and civilian casualties, highlighting the balance between strength and restraint, realism and hope.Full topics:0:00:00 - Intro0:02:09 - Why joined the military0:16:24 - Spirituality & religiosity0:18:26 - History of the birth of America0:29:07 - What is peace?0:37:55 - The US in a multipolar world0:50:56 - Significance: The quest of the 21st century?0:57:29 - Nuclear proliferation1:08:10 - Middle East1:12:25 - A realist look at Ukraine1:14:40 - NATO1:19:20 - Why invest in Southeast Asia#Endgame #GitaWirjawan #WesleyClark------------------About the guest:Wesley Clark is a four-star U.S. Army general who devoted 34 years of service under eight presidents, spanning from the Cold War to the Balkans. He served as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, leading NATO forces during a defining post–Cold War period. His career reflects decades of experience at the intersection of military strategy, political leadership, and the shaping of modern American power.About the host:Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy.------------------You may also like:https://youtu.be/PCYpeJYu9hY?si=mrMhRwUXgvti4-r7https://youtu.be/oT4OcBYEZac?si=b6YgpSOZwkwewcTjhttps://youtu.be/vZ7ocdh_rsk?si=mJKfaZEmXnVmHuYX------------------