Journalist Chris Hayes says “attention capitalism” demands we pay heed to everything at once, from social media doomscrolling to the relentless pace of the 24-hour news cycle. In a conversation from March, the MSNBC host spoke with Matt Galloway about his new book, The Siren’s Call, which explores what living under constant information overload means for our lives and politics — and explains why he thinks U.S. President Donald Trump’s attention-grabbing antics are “a kind of feral instinct.”