In this episode of The New Stack’s On the Road show at Open Source Summit in Austin, Webb Brown, CEO and co-founder of KubeCost, talked with The New Stack about opening up the black box on how much Kubernetes is really costing. 

Whether we’re talking about cloud costs in general or the costs specifically associated with Kubernetes, the problem teams complain about is lack of visibility. This is a cliche complaint about AWS, but it gets even more complicated once Kubernetes enters the picture. “Now everything’s distributed, everything’s shared,” Brown said. “It becomes much harder to understand and break down these costs. And things just tend to be way more dynamic.” The ability of pods to spin up and down is a key advantage of Kubernetes and brings resilience, but it also makes it harder to understand how much it costs to run a specific feature. 

And costs aren’t just about money, either. Even with unlimited money, looking at cost information can provide important information about performance issues, reliability or availability. “Our founding team was at Google working on infrastructure monitoring, we view costs as a really important part of this equation, but only one part of the equation, which is you’re really looking at the relationship between performance and cost,” Brown said. “Even with unlimited budged, you would still care about resourcing and configuration, because it can really impact reliability and availability of your services.”