The Johnjay Van Es Podcast

What If Every Argument Was a Chance to Get Closer?


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What happens when an engineer and a nurse discover their true calling as marriage coaches?

Meet Aaron and Jocelyn Freeman, the couple behind a relationship coaching movement that’s helped thousands of partners shift from surviving to thriving.

From almost breaking up after a gym date to building a coaching brand with nearly a million followers, their story is full of real-life lessons. They share how their own clashing conflict styles became the foundation for practical tools that couples can actually use, tools that go far beyond traditional therapy sessions.

Their message is simple but powerful: you don’t have to end your marriage, just the version of it that isn’t working. With honesty, humor, and wisdom, the Freemans remind us that relationships evolve and that reinvention is part of the journey.

Whether you’re dating, married, or somewhere in between, this episode will change how you think about love, conflict, and commitment.

Hit play now and subscribe for more conversations that help you build the relationships you really want.

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