Are we facing Europe’s biggest war in 80 years? Are we panicking because we don’t understand Ukraine and Russian President Vladimir Putin well enough? What can we learn from the neighbors of Russia who have fended off Moscow?

This week’s guest, Kadri Liik, is a Russia specialist and senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations. She takes us into the mind of Putin and the Russian policy elite — to help us understand what motivates them, and what threats or sanctions are most likely to change their behavior.

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