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What do you do when the economy feels like it’s spinning off its axis?  Should you stay in the stock market?  Is real estate still worth the risk? Or is now the time to sit on the sidelines? 

In this episode, I bring on a powerhouse guest, Anna Kelley, to help cut through the noise and offer grounded, data-driven insights that every serious investor needs to hear.

Anna isn’t just another talking head—she’s a Wall Street veteran, New York Times bestselling author, and a real estate mogul with a portfolio of over $400 million. She has firsthand experience navigating economic storms like the Great Financial Crisis, and she shares her perspective on where we are today and where we’re likely heading.

Together, we take a deep dive into:

• Why the 4% rule is outdated and could wreck your retirement
• How inflation, tariffs, and government spending distort market signals
• The truth behind today’s recession indicators and why most of the public is being misled
• Why Anna is strongly anti-stock market right now and where she’s putting her money instead
• The importance of leading economic indicators (LEIs), not headlines, in predicting real shifts
• How commercial real estate and long-term rentals are holding up—and what the future may hold

We also uncover how the media, social algorithms, and surface-level financial advice are leading many investors astray. Anna shares her approach to filtering out the noise, what economic indicators she follows (like the yield curve, Sahm rule, and Conference Board LEIs), and how she determines real risk-adjusted returns.

This episode is not about fear it’s about clarity. It’s about knowing where the economy is really heading and how you can position yourself to thrive, not just survive. Whether you’ve taken a hit in real estate recently or you’re frozen in decision-making limbo, this conversation will help you move forward with purpose.

Real wealth isn't about hype it’s about strategy. If you're seeking to create passive income with confidence and precision, this episode will help you reset your expectations, reframe your mindset, and realign your investment strategy.

Anna's link: - Website: https://annakelleyinvesting.com/  - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-kelley-reimom/  - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/annakelleyreimom/