Artists like Chappell Roan, Sabrina Carpenter and Charli XCX have been making music for years, but it's only in the last few weeks they've achieved mainstream commercial success. Their rise marks a radical shift in the pop music landscape, and a new sound that contrasts to titans like Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish. Osman, Mel and Thomas look at the the revolution in the genre - what prompted it, and who is leading the way.

Plus, Logies nominations trigger a reflection on Australia's television landscape and what's missing from our screens, plus Austin Butler joins the pod to discuss his new outlaw motorcycle gang film The Bikeriders and the state of movies more generally.

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