This week Congress began hearings on Russian hackers and trolls' effects on the 2016 election. Meanwhile, Donna Brazille described how the Hillary Clinton campaign took over the Democratic Party from the inside. On today's podcast, Reason's Katherine Mangu-Ward, Matt Welch, and Nick Gillespie discuss the extent of Russia's tampering with American politics and the shadowy threats that don't boil down to paid advertisements and memes.

They also talk about the Republican tax plan, President Nicolas Maduro's stealthy empanada eating as Venezuela starves, authoritarian responses to the latest terror attack in New York City, and (in preparation for a debate Gillespie and Mangu-Ward are participating in) the best argument against capitalism.

The conversation was moderated by Andrew Heaton.