While Kubernetes brings a great deal of flexibility to application management, the Cloud Foundry platform-as-a-service (PaaS) software offers the best level of standardization, observed Julian Fischer, CEO, of cloud native services provider anynines.

We chatted with Fischer for this latest episode of The New Stack Makers podcast, to learn about the company's experience in managing large-scale deployments of both Kubernetes and Cloud Foundry.

"A lot of the conversation today is about Kubernetes. But the Cloud Foundry ecosystem has been very strong," especially for enterprises, noted Fischer.