The bird flu is jumping mammal species, from chickens to minks to seals, giving it more opportunities to mutate. Andy talks to epidemiologist Katelyn Jetelina and science writer David Quammen about the likelihood of H5N1 jumping to humans, how dangerous that would be, and how to prepare without overreacting. 

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