What if reality isn’t made of isolated things—but of relationships all the way down?

In this episode, we sit down with John Milbank to explore the strange and surprisingly relevant world of Trinitarian ontology. Together, we dig into a bold idea: that being itself might be more like a living communion than a collection of separate objects.

Along the way, we tackle big questions: Why does the Trinity still matter? How does it reshape our understanding of politics and the world? And what would it mean to see reality as fundamentally relational rather than competitive?

Expect a mix of deep theology and a few moments where your brain might do a happy double-take. Whether you’re a seasoned thinker or just Trinity-curious, this conversation opens up a fresh way of seeing the world—and your place in it.

For more on the New Trinitarian Ontologies, check out another interview with Ryan Haecker on our Patreon!