Avoiding Babylon

Will Pope Leo Kill the Trad Movement? - with Christian Wagner (Full LOCALS Version)


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The Catholic media landscape is experiencing a seismic shift. After a decade where Pope Francis served as the perfect foil for traditional Catholic content creators, Pope Leo's arrival has disrupted the entire ecosystem.

Anthony and Christian dive deep into this transformation, examining how many Catholic media personalities built entire platforms on Francis-era outrage and now find themselves struggling to adapt. "Pope Francis was the lifeblood of the trad movement," Anthony explains. "He pushed normie conservative Catholics into the trad column and spawned an entire industry where every day there was a new headline to be outraged by." But that era is over.

Unlike his predecessor, Pope Leo isn't providing the same controversial material that fueled viewership for years. His communication style—which Christian describes as "squishy platitudes that allow everyone to hear what they want"—leaves both progressive and traditional Catholics claiming him as their own. The result? Many established content creators are floundering, unable to generate the same engagement without the reliable controversy machine that was Pope Francis.

The hosts offer a challenging perspective on the future of Catholic media: those who continue treating Leo like Francis, desperately searching for outrage fodder, will eventually become irrelevant. Instead, they advocate for a more substantive approach focused on catechesis, building genuine connections with audiences, and developing long-term strategies for passing on the faith.

"We have 15 years of Pope Leo ahead of us," Anthony notes. "Why would you make the daily lives of your fellow Catholics a living hell just for clicks?" The conversation explores how Catholic content creators should think beyond viral moments to consider their true mission—furthering the kingship of Christ and preparing the next generation of faithful.

Whether you're a content creator yourself or simply a Catholic trying to navigate this new era, this episode offers vital insights into the changing media landscape and the path forward. Join us as we examine what it means to create meaningful Catholic content in a post-Francis Church.

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