Word In Your Ear

“I thought Dave Davies of the Kinks was a girl. When I discovered he was a boy, that’s when I got interested.” Jon’s an old friend of the podcast and the author of some highly regarded and influential books about pop and its repercussions, ‘England’s Dreaming’ and ‘1966: the Year The Decade Exploded’ among them. His latest is ‘The Secret Public: How LGBTQ Performers Shaped Popular Culture 1955-1979’ which looks at five particular moments and the pivotal people in the mix at the time. We couldn’t recommend it more highly and cover seven decades in this conversation, stopping off at …

… how “homosexuality was a career-killer” until Bowie’s spectacular Melody Maker interview in 1972.

… new male identities - Valentino, Nureyev, Sinatra and the “subversive” stage act of Johnnie Ray.

… does pop drive change or reflect it?

… Andrew Loog Oldham, Kit Lambert, Simon Napier-Bell and the supposed “gay managers mafia” and how Oldham used camp as a weapon.

… Dusty Springfield and the Gateway Club.

… how Brian Epstein invented a new type of manager.

... Andy Warhol at the Factory, pop art, the launch of the Velvet Underground and his jukebox time-capsule of ‘60s gay pop taste.

… was Tom Robinson the first out gay British pop star?

… Mary Whitehouse v the Gay Times.

… the Clash (“hurt, vulnerable boys”), Siouxsie, Poly Styrene, the Slits, Vic Godard and punk’s other new stage identities.

Order ‘the Secret Public’ here …

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Public-Resistance-Popular-1955-1979/dp/0571358373

… and Jon’s 2-CD soundtrack here …

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Giles was 12 when he watched Abba win Eurovision in 1974 and was instantly besotted – and thus required to spend the next 20 years wrestling with The Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name. His thunderingly funny, fond and illuminating book – My My!: Abba Through The Years – traces their story, looks at the snobbery and critical mauling they endured and figures out how they made records so universally popular and which still move him to tears 50 years later. It’s also the best example of any book we’ve read that can explain the mechanics of music to a non-musician. It’s highly recommended, as is this podcast which alights upon …

… a 50 year-old story – “for 42 of which they haven’t existed”.

.. the vicious early press reaction - “calculatingly commercial”, “dispassionate” …

… the divine clunkiness of their early TV appearances.

… the sense of the melancholy we’ve attached to their music - and why.

... the immense value of splitting up early and never reforming or publicly falling out.  

… the immaculate construction of Dancing Queen (which opens with the second half of the chorus) and why “there are two types of wedding disco – ones that start with Dancing Queen and terrible ones.”

… the maturity of Abba’s lyrics – about marriages, relationships, children and other subjects pop music rarely tackles.

 … why Abba Voyage is so affecting that he’s seen it three times.

… and Muriel’s Wedding, Priscilla Queen of the Desert and other key factors in The Comeback.

Order Giles Smith’s My My!: Abba Through The Ages here …

https://www.amazon.co.uk/My-ABBA-Through-Ages-ebook/dp/B0CF73GNN4

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Peter Meaden was a key figure in the Mod movement. He changed the world view of Andrew Loog Oldham, which shaped the early Stones, and he managed the Who, remodelling their look and sound, writing their first single and turning them into Mod figureheads. Steve Turner interviewed him in 1975, an exchange that's now the centrepiece of his new book 'King Mod: the Story of Peter Meaden, the Who and the Birth of a British Subculture', and the NME's published extract in 1978 paved the way for the Mod Revival. It's an extraordinary story that would make a movie, discussed here with Steve and including ... 

... the Scene Club in Windmill Street "when a band was a way of life".

... Angus McGill and the first press mention of 'the Modernists'.

… the tale of Sandra Blackstone, the DJ who vanished into thin air.

... the lifelong values of Mod culture for teenagers like Eric Clapton, Marc Bolan and David Bowie. 

 ... the single Meaden wrote for the Who - Zoot Suit/I'm The Face - and where he stole the music from. 

... police raids in Soho. 

... doing press for Bob Dylan at the time of Madhouse on Castle Street. 

... the Flamingo Club's dress policy, French and Italian film and fashion, boxing boots, cycle jackets and the origins of Mod style. 

 ... Chuck Berry in suburban Edmonton! 

... Meaden's disastrous attempt to bring Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band to London. 

... and a typical weekend in 1964, a sleepless, Drinamyl-powered 48 hours from the Ready Steady Go! green room to the Scene Club via Carnaby Street. 

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This week the conversational Super-Trouper of Enquiry lights up the following …

... why care when "rock critics get it wrong"? 

... the dreadful death of the Allman brothers' dad. 

... is there any other branch of entertainment where you can be two hours late onstage?

... has any show got worse reviews than Eddie Izzard's one-woman Hamlet?

... the unlikely tale of how Iron Butterfly changed the course of Atlantic Records. 

... three, the magic number: the accidental album trilogies of Scott Walker, Steely Dan, Blur, the Beatles, Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Nick Lowe ...

... the Deadhead who saw them 1,000 times.

... U2, Coldplay, Radiohead, the Kings of Leon ... bands who've never changed their line-up.

... Yes, Thin Lizzy, the Hollies ... bands with no original members. 

... why it's less demanding seeing bands than solo acts. 

... and Madonna being sued for lateness, lip-syncing and a "pornographic stage-act that was emotionally triggering".

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Tuning into this week's rock and roll soundwave to filter signal from noise, we cranked up the volume on the following ...

... 'Zuma Nester Rock' and the eternal curse of rock stars' kids' names. 

... Bowie's spat with Robbie Williams at Netaid. 

... celebrating awkward sods like Kevin Rowland.

... why Paul Carrack has seen it all.

... 'Lewis' Armstrong, 'Hoosker Doo' and others we've been pronouncing wrong. 

... AI does David Hepworth and Mark Ellen!

... the Underground/Overground albums/singles divide of 1974: the Wombles and Paper Lace v Tubular Bells and Journey To The Centre of The Earth.

... Guy Chambers - a string quartet aged 11! - and other early achievers.

... the Stones' and Bowie's race to have a Guy Peeleart record cover and the 50th anniversary of Diamond Dogs. 

... how the Dead & Co turned a stage show into a movie experience and bands - Radiohead, Kraftwerk, Pet Shop Boys? - who should play the Las Vegas Sphere.

 ... and "the wally with the brolly" and other fresh political PR catastrophes.

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They Might Be Giants – old school fiends John Flansburgh and John Linnell – have been making elliptical, funny and adventurous records for over 40 years and writing music for children, advertising and TV comedies. We talk to John Linnell here about songwriting, early shows in art spaces, the way you saw the world when a "wiseacrey teenager" and what you can expect from their autumn tour. Which, incidentally, will include the "pointlessy difficult exercise" of performing Sapphire Bullets Of Love every night in reverse which they'll film and run backwards and then send the clip to audience members so they can gauge its accuracy ("like watching people sing for whom English is a second language"). Some illuminating moments here ...

... the rich vein of '50s music outside of rock and roll. 

... communicating by posting cassettes and how they built a following with an ansaphone.

... working in a record store in Massachussetts. 

... playing on the same bill as Steve Buscemi at New York performance venues in the '80s and gigs involving papier mache hands and masks. 

... why children are "a tough crowd" and the unsettling news that their albums for kids were outselling their usual records. 

... the fine art of survival after a 1990 worldwide hit.

... and Yoko Ono, Pere Ubu, Elvis Costello and the disturbing effect of Frank Zappa's Weasels Ripped My Flesh.

They Might Be Giants tickets here …

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Guy Chambers was a teenager in Liverpool and at John Lennon’s old school - "same headmaster, Mister Pobjoy". He remembers the Beatles, Queen, Abba and Jesus Christ Superstar sparking his interest in the "perfect song package" and went on to work with Tina Turner, Rufus Wainwright, Kylie, Diana Ross and scores of others. He talks here about early shows he saw, records bought and his own tour in the autumn, "An Evening With Guy Chambers", stopping off at various points on the way, among them ...

... how YOU can write a song with him. 

... Bowie's reaction on discovering he was third on the bill below George Michael and Robbie Williams at Netaid. 

... seeing XTC and Generation X at the teen shows at Eric's. 

... Benny Hill's Ernie, the Scaffold's Lily the Pink and other singles bought at Probe Records.  

... "the great harmony bands" like the Eagles, Byrds and the Mamas & the Papas.

..."A Is For Banana", his song about dyslexia.  

... writing a string quartet aged 11 and the magic of hearing four people bring his sheet music to life. 

... "the wastage": composers who write 50 songs and throw 40 away. 

.. the cinematic internal worlds of the Cocteau Twins and Lana Del Ray. 

... the "subversive harmonies" on Strawberry Fields Forever and what makes Eleanor Rigby so perfect.

... everything that now needs to be in place to get a hit record. 

... mass song-writing teams and how he can't operate with more than three people in the room. 

... and what you can expect from his upcoming tour. 

Tickets for An Evening With Guy Chambers here …

https://www.guychambers.co.uk/live

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We’ve known Alan Edwards since the days when we’d ring him for a quote from Blondie or the Stranglers in the late ‘70s and he’s still one of the key figures in music PR. He’s looked after the Stones, Prince, Michael Jackson, Blondie, Amy Winehouse, the Beckhams and many others. No-one is better positioned to see how that world has changed, from the pre-Google days when you could invent a story and the press would happily buy it to a 21st century where his flat was burgled in pursuit of lucrative celebrity leads. PRs, he believes, "are not messengers but storytellers” and his memoir ‘I Was There: Dispatches From A Life In Rock And Roll’ is full of them. He looks back here at …

… striking a £1m photo deal for the Beckhams’ wedding.

… Midge Ure, Gen X and other prime examples of fake news.

… hotel workers, waiters and airline pilots who sold stories to the press.

… the days when a battery-operated portable phone gave you the edge. 

… why he was hired by Blondie.

… the chilly, manipulative and inscrutable Lou Reed.

… Bowie’s disappearance in Berlin in the ‘70s and other things that would be impossible in the age of social media.

… Keith Moon in mid-air.

… and how it feels to be hacked.

Order Alan’s book here …

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Was-There-Dispatches-Life-Rock/dp/1398525243

The Outside Organisation …

https://outside-org.co.uk/

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This week’s items slapped on the rock and roll barbecue and lightly grilled include …

… why Eurovision will never avoid political controversy.

… when AI does David Hepworth!

… what’s the secret of NTS radio?

… “there are two types of wedding disco, ones that start with Abba's Dancing Queen and terrible ones.”

… Tony Hall’s prophetic preview of Revolver in May '66 – “they shatter convention and may well have a far-reaching effect on the whole future of music”.

… when listening to the radio was a group activity.

… Daniel Kramer, Dezo Hoffman, Robert Freeman, Anton Corbijn and other photographers who shaped the way music looked.

... the rogue punctuation of "Paint It, Black".

 … songs that start with the chorus.

 … Elvis’s unrepeatable train journey from New York to Memphis in 1956.

… “there’s glass in the back of my head and my toenails don’t fit properly” – Dylan’s ’66 London press conference.

…. and hurry hurry hurry to Lot 71 in Danny Baker’s record auction, a snip at only £70!

Danny Baker’s record auction …

https://bid.omegaauctions.co.uk/auction/details/a230a-the-danny-baker-collection/?au=162&g=1

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We’ve followed Paul Carrack for 50 years, a big hit single – How Long – when he was with Ace, 19 albums, countless sessions (the Smiths, Eagles and Pretenders among them) and a touring band member with Squeeze, Roxy Music, Roger Waters and Nick Lowe. He once put out an album called ‘I Know That Name’ as for so many people he’s still under the radar. His newsagent assumes he’s called “Mike” as he was the singer in Mike & the Mechanics. He's touring the UK in the autumn and looks back here at …

… seeing the Beatles, Chuck Berry, the Stones, Dylan and the Shadows at Sheffield Town Hall. And Geno Washington & the Ram Jam Band at Mojos promoted by Pete Stringfellow.

… playing Cologne, Frankfurt and Hamburg clubs in the early ‘70s.

… his time with earnest prog adventurers Warm Dust – “please don’t look them up”.

… the value of having your own label in the world of streaming.

… when Elvis Costello got him to sing the vocal on Tempted by Squeeze.

… supporting Fleetwood Mac and Free.

… playing Ray Charles, Nat King Cole and Sinatra tunes with a big band.

… how it feels to be “dropped like a stone” by Radio Two when you no longer fit the demographic.

… the real meaning of the song How Long and what he has in common with Troy McClure of the Simpsons.

Paul Carrack tour dates here …

https://paulcarrack.net/

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