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Writes4Women host Pamela Cook chats to publishing industry professional Kelly Doust about her new business, Publishing Curious.
Kelly has worked across many facets of the industry including as an author, but also in marketing and as an acquiring editor and publisher. She's started a new business to assist authors in reaching their publishing goals, and to demystify the industry.
In this conversation Pam chats to Kelly about how acquisitions meeting work, what publishers are looking for in a manuscript, the realities of advances, and a whole lot more.
And if you enjoy this chat, join Pam and Kelly for a live zoom chat on Tuesday October 6 ay 7pm, and bring your questions with you.
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Shannon Kelly-White & Lisa Ireland on Mentoring and the Making of Billy King
Host Pamela Cook interviews debut historical fiction author Shannon Kelly-White and author/mentor Lisa Ireland about the mentoring partnership behind Shannon’s debut novel.
Billy King (“Wild girls don’t go quietly”), is a story set in the Australian high country 100 years ago and told through three women’s perspectives: bushranger Dulcie, missing mother Anna, and 12-year-old Billy.
Shannon discusses her path from nursing to an unorthodox food blog and cookbooks, learning through a “drawer” manuscript, and developing a modern-feeling historical voice. Lisa describes recognising Shannon’s talent early, providing confidence and structural guidance, and focusing on story momentum and “killing darlings,” including major deletions and restructuring.
They discuss knowing when to submit, securing an agent, editing, cover reveal, handling reviews, mentoring benefits, and more.
00:00 Welcome to Writes4Women
02:35 Shannon’s Pre-Book Journey
03:19 Inside Billy King
13:37 Starting Mentorship Together
19:28 Building Three POV Characters
23:46 Story Structure and Cutting
35:56 Knowing When Done
40:20 Stop Over Revising
45:39 Handling Reviews
49:13 Mentorship Matters
51:39 Mentoring For All
57:28 Final Writing Advice
59:42 Wrap And Resources
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Courtney Peppernell on Pillow Thoughts, Self-Publishing, and Her Debut Novel The Last Poem
Writes4Women host Pamela Cook chats with internationally bestselling author Courtney Peppernell, about her path from early “lightning writing” and a supportive family to self-publishing novels and then poetry, and now her debut novel.
Courtney describes self-publishing, and creating Pillow Thoughts from blog-style reflections, her poems going viral and landing a deal with a traditional publisher. Her latest release is The Last Poem, a multi-POV small-town Colorado story about grief, friendship and love.
An inspiring episode for writers at all stages of their career.
00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro
02:07 Early Writing Spark
03:54 Family Support and Creativity
05:41 Self Publishing Beginnings
08:05 Pillow Thoughts Goes Viral
13:25 Signing with a US Publisher
15:57 Series Strategy and Branding
21:15 Life Changing Success and Tours
25:26 Setting Up Poem Readings
26:18 Reading From Thinking Of You
26:58 Writing Poetry As Characters
29:17 Modern Versus Traditional Poetry
30:50 Why Online Poetry Boomed
31:58 Algorithm Changes And Reach
33:35 Turning To The Last Poem
35:27 Plot And Grief Group Setup
36:34 Crafting Multiple Viewpoints
40:37 Favorite Characters And Libraries
43:58 Why Wren Is A Poet
45:49 Traditional Publishing And Events
48:57 Upcoming Books And Music
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Hannah Richell on Writing Memoir, Grief, and An Ocean and a Day
Join host and author Pamela Cook as she interviews author Hannah Richell about her memoir An Ocean and a Day, which explores the sudden death of her husband Matt in a surfing accident at Tamarama Beach in 2014 and the long journey of grief that followed.
Richell discusses journaling as a survival tool, shaping years of writing into a memoir, and choosing a circular, tidal structure that moves between past and present to show what was lost and reflect how grief is experienced. She shares key influences and also talks about narrating the audiobook herself, deciding what to include about her children, and how touring and reader responses have been unexpectedly uplifting.
00:00 Level Up Writing Courses
01:39 Episode Updates and Memoir Intro
05:15 Memoir Overview and Loss
08:38 Beach Bookends and Ending
13:22 Writing Grief Into Words
17:30 Tidal Timeline Structure
24:02 Journaling to Memoir Draft2
9:38 Visitation Dream Story
32:56 Host Family Grief Reflection
36:42 Kids as Anchors
38:05 Writing Through Nights
38:42 Books That Held Me
42:34 Quoting and Permissions
44:18 Narrating the Audiobook
49:10 Shaping the Memoir
50:51 Privacy and Boundaries
56:20 Swallows and Tattoos
01:00:27 Touring and Reader Connection
01:03:39 Wrap Up and Farewell
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Belinda Alexandra on The Italian Correspondent, Research, and Writing Through Rejection
This week on The Convo couch Pam chats to Belinda Alexandra, author of 12 bestselling novels including her latest release The Italian Correspondent. Belinda discusses her storytelling roots in her mother’s White Russian/China wartime experiences and her father’s Australian life, her early writing, travel influences, 10 years of rejections before White Gardenia was published in 2002, and a whole lot more.
Pam also talks new releases and gives an update on the Writes4Women Main Character Deep Dive challenge.
00:30 Podcast Updates and Festivals
02:56 Substack Writing Challenge
05:22 New Books on the Shelf
10:55 Meet Belinda Alexandra
13:35 Family Stories and Writing Roots
21:54 Travel Letters and Inspiration
25:54 First Novel and Rejections
31:33 Imposter Syndrome and Craft
34:07 Pushing Through the Dip
34:55 Inside The Italian Correspondent
39:35 Plotting vs Characters Taking Over
42:30 Writing Better Men on the Page
44:55 Three Loves Romance Twist
51:23 Drafting Perfectionism and Mess
56:07 Longevity in Publishing
57:51 Perseverance Through Industry Change
01:00:28 Quality Over Speed
01:02:01 Wrap Up and Bonus Chat
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This week Pam reports in from Lille in France with some exciting news about her upcoming release Because You're Mine!
She also chats to debut memoirist Lindsay Bartels about Imogen in Waiting, which follows Lindsay and her husband as they wrestle with whether to use a stored female embryo that carries the BRCA mutation Lindsay has, after Lindsay’s breast cancer diagnosis in her 20s.
Lindsay discusses her path from filmmaking and architecture to writing via blogging, and explains drafting the memoir longhand using a four-notebook, three-act structure, then transcribing, revising, cutting scenes, and deepening interiority with editors at Third Rail Press.
This is a thought-provoking, uplifting conversation for both readers and writers.
00:18 Podcast Welcome And Travel Update
05:56 Host Updates And Subscriber Perks
09:03 Meet The Guest Lindsay
09:41 Lindsay’s Creative Path
15:36 Writing The Memoir Framework
17:58 Notebook One Cancer Diagnosis
19:59 Notebook Two IVF And The Embryo
21:01 Notebook Three Sydney COVID And Legal Hurdles
26:44 Letting Go And The Emotional Toll
27:53 Notebook Four Return Home And Surgery
32:27 Writing to Imogen
33:55 Transcribing and Revising
36:25 Early Readers Feedback
38:21 Querying and Developmental Edit
40:05 Third Rail Press Origin
43:36 Final Revisions and Trust
45:58 The Big Ethical Question
47:56 Family Gene Background
50:31 Keeping the Memoir Human
51:41 Holding the Finished Book
53:08 Events and Writing Community
56:51 Where to Buy and Farewell
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Join host Pamela Cook on the Writes4Women Convo Couch with thia week's guest Katherine Collette.
They chat about Catherine's adult novels The Helpline (2018) and The Competition (2022), plus two illustrated middle-grade books set around a small Victorian town, discuss debut publication misconceptions, second-book pressure, writing routines, using Scrivener, and spreadsheets, and a whole lot more.
Catherine also reflects on what she learnt as the co-host of the popular podcast The First Time as well as her work as a writing coach.
1:43 Host Updates
03:06 Writing Projects
04:57 Courses And Community
06:48 Reading Recommendations
07:36 Meet Catherine Collette
08:47 Career Origins
09:46 Debut Reality Check
12:13 Second Book Pressure
15:06 Middle Grade Shift
15:47 Cartooning Challenge
20:13 Kids Books Marketing
23:23 Illustration Workflow
26:59 New Darker Novel
27:38 Cruise Ship Research
30:46 Writing Routine Progress
31:05 Writing Focus Limits
31:37 Daily Routine Pomodoros
32:06 Story Structure Tools
33:21 Scrivener Workflow Tips
34:15 Crime Plot Spreadsheets
35:54 Genre Hopping Pressures
37:51 Coaching Long Game
40:24 Mindset For Success
43:16 Craft Fixes Openings
48:55 Podcast Career Boost
54:36 Fast Four Wrap Up
59:55 Closing Thanks Outro
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Welcome to a new season of Writes4Women!
Each fortnight, On the Convo Couch will bring you author-based interviews and invite listener requests and questions. In this episode host Pamela Cook interviews bestselling Australian author Tricia Stringer, who discusses The Road Trip’s strong sales (30,000) and long tail, her upcoming novel The Paradise Resort set in the Kimberley, and her writing routine.
Tricia reflects on moving across genres, the importance of voice, managing revisions, industry changes including AI and copyright concerns, and memorable career milestones like winning the Ruby for Queen of the Road.
Pam also suggests three new release books for your reading enjoyment: Five Stages of Grace by Casey Nott, The Palace of Lost Virtue by Anthea Hodgson, Out of the Blue by Penelope Janu.
00:00 Own Your Voice
00:23 Season Kickoff0
2:46 Workshops And Events
04:29 Pamela Writing Update
06:00 New Release Roundup
08:58 Meet Tricia Stringer
10:47 Welcome To The Couch
11:26 Life In Wallaroo
12:03 New Book Paradise Resort
16:39 Road Trip Success
20:11 From Kids To Romance
25:29 Finding Story Ideas
29:07 Ideas Find Their Writer
30:26 First Draft Routine
32:16 Word Counts And Consistency
35:07 Cleaner Drafts And Outside Eyes
37:16 Over Revising Fixes
40:36 Publishing Shifts And AI
44:58 Genre Pivots And Older Heroes
49:30 Milestones And Final Advice
53:20 Fast Four And Wrap Up
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Pamela Cook shares a Rewind episode of Writes4Women featuring novelist Sarah Winman discussing her 2021 novel Still Life, alongside Winman’s background from acting to writing and her earlier books When God Was a Rabbit, A Year of Marvelous Ways, and Tin Man.
Winman describes how she began writing through adult education classes, found an agent, and learned to trust creative instinct. She outlines Still Life as a four-decade story beginning with a 1944 meeting in Tuscany between art historian Evelyn Skinner and soldier/globe maker Ulysses Temper, later exploring postwar London, Florence, found family, art, beauty, class, love, and unity.
Inspiration came from learning about Florence’s 1966 flood and the “mud angels,” with Brexit influencing her “joy as resistance” tone. She details researching as needed, writing nonlinearly through many drafts, using ensemble viewpoints, and receiving crucial art guidance from Florentine art historian Stella Rudolph, and offers writing advice on finishing drafts, careful feedback, rereading great writers, and accepting doubt.
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Pamela Cook introduces a Writes for Women Rewind episode featuring award-winning Victorian author Favel Parrett discussing her novel There Was Still Love, inspired by family memories and set across Czechoslovakia and Australia from 1938–1981.
Parrett explains her “simple on the page, layered underneath” style built through extensive drafting (often 15 drafts per scene), using memory as non-linear snapshots, and writing in a child’s voice to preserve gaps and subtext.
The conversation covers dialogue that relies on silence and mood, weaving motifs like suitcases and food, creating embodied emotion, the intensity of a reclusive routine while writing, and Parrett’s four writing tips: focus on the work first, believe it’s possible, seek feedback at the right time, and read.
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