After an ill-fated heist, the lads found a machine that can play HI-8 and dove in. Ivan & Red talk about a surprisingly funny and well made show that should not have been made without the consent of Pamela Anderson, Hulu's Pam & Tommy.

Check out Red & Maggie Tokuda-Hall's newly launched podcast, Failure to Adapt, available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or via RSS

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