You Are A Lawyer: Take Risks and Change Careers in Law

Robert Ingalls is a former attorney who turned his passion for storytelling into a successful media business as a podcast producer. In this episode, he describes his struggle from being over-anxious working in the legal industry to finding joy in podcasting, focusing on the importance of doing what you love and the impact of creativity in your career. Come join Robert as he shares the challenges he encountered, the mistakes he made, and how he now supports others in making their voice heard through podcasting.

Lawyer Side Hustles

Lawyers are increasingly exploring side hustles as a way to diversify their income and pursue passions outside of traditional legal practice. Robert Ingalls, a former lawyer turned podcast producer, exemplifies this trend with his venture, LawPods. Through LawPods, Robert helps lawyers create and manage their own podcasts, allowing them to share their expertise while building their personal brand. This not only provides a creative outlet for lawyers but also serves as a valuable marketing tool in an increasingly digital world.

“You show up, you talk, hang up. And then you've got a podcast,” shares Robert Ingalls in Episode 162 of You Are a Lawyer.

Engaging in a side business like podcasting can be a fulfilling way for lawyers to reconnect with their passions and alleviate the stress that often accompanies legal work. Robert's journey illustrates that with determination and the right support, lawyers can successfully pivot to new ventures. He emphasizes the importance of taking action, encouraging lawyers to embrace their entrepreneurial spirit and explore opportunities that align with their interests, ultimately leading to greater job satisfaction and personal fulfillment.

LISTEN TO LEARN

• How to recognize and address anxiety in your professional life.
• Strategies for transitioning from a traditional legal career to a nontraditional one, such as podcasting.
• Tips for leveraging your legal education and skills in new and creative ways.

WE ALSO DISCUSS

• The mental health challenges faced by lawyers and the importance of addressing them.
• The benefits of podcasting as a medium for connection and expression.
• The potential for lawyers to pivot to different practice areas or careers without losing their identity.

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In this episode, Josue Jimenez, a law school administrator and attorney, takes us through his career trajectory, from working as a legal assistant in Michigan, to becoming the Assistant Director of Admissions at Campbell University School of Law. Josue reflects on his passion for helping prospective law students explore the path forward, and for working with first-generation students who might not have those options available at home. He also discusses his commitment to a community oriented law career, the impact it’s had on his journey, and the momentum he’s building with various initiatives he’s advising that will help be a sure-fire success for future law grads.

Lawyer Side Hustles

In many of the podcast episodes, guests have mentioned that they wanted to find a side hustle to diversify their income, pursue an interest, or to give back. For example, many lawyers do pro bono work or volunteer with nonprofits, which often helps these organizations while also helping the lawyer develop new skills and connections. Josue mentioned his involvement in "Know Your Rights clinics" and his desire to get more involved with pro bono projects, emphasizing the importance of using legal expertise to support underserved populations. This kind of work can be fulfilling and provide valuable experience that complements a lawyer's primary career.

“I try to encourage them to spend as much time reflecting on their why as much as possible,” shares Josue Jimenez in Episode 161 of You Are a Lawyer.

There also are various entrepreneurial activities that require legal skills, or allow lawyers to use their skills in some new way to create a side hustle. This could include providing legal consulting, creating an online course or writing legal content. When choosing a side hustle, it’s useful to first ask yourself what you truly want out of it. Thoughtful side projects can create opportunities for lawyers to engage with their communities and values in meaningful ways.

LISTEN TO LEARN

• The journey of a law school graduate from student to law school administrator.
• Insights on how to navigate the law school application process, especially for first-generation students.
• Tips on how to effectively engage with prospective law students and the admissions process.

WE ALSO DISCUSS

• The significance of being involved in student organizations during law school.
• The role of the Wallace Public Service Fellowship in shaping Josue's career path.
• The launch of the First Generation Blueprint program aimed at supporting first-generation law students.

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Meagan Smith joins us in this episode to share her unique journey as a lawyer navigating the complexities of the legal profession while embracing her identity and personal growth. From her experiences with the bar exam to her current role as counsel for multiple firms, Meagan emphasizes the importance of finding joy in one's work and the value of community support among women in law. Tune in as she discusses how her law degree has shaped her life and the significance of celebrating both small and large victories along the way.

Lawyer Side Hustles

In today's legal landscape, many lawyers are exploring side hustles to diversify their income and pursue their passions outside of traditional law practice. As Meagan Smith highlighted in her conversation, the flexibility of being of counsel for multiple firms allows her to engage in various legal fields while also managing her own solo practice. This dual approach not only alleviates the stress of overhead costs but also enables her to focus on areas of law that resonate with her personal interests and values. By leveraging her legal expertise in different capacities, Meagan exemplifies how lawyers can create a fulfilling career that balances professional responsibilities with personal aspirations.

“I would tell them to first find what makes them happy and figure out how to use their degree within that,” shares Meagan Smith in Episode 160 of You Are a Lawyer.

This perspective encourages lawyers to seek out side hustles that align with their passions, whether it be teaching, consulting, or engaging in creative projects. By doing so, they can cultivate a more enriching professional life that not only enhances their legal practice but also contributes to their overall well-being. In a profession often characterized by high stress and long hours, pursuing side ventures can provide a much-needed outlet for creativity and personal growth.

LISTEN TO LEARN

• Strategies for managing stress and mental health while navigating the challenges of law school and practicing law.
• The significance of building a supportive community and maintaining friendships that uplift and celebrate each other’s successes.
• The value of celebrating small wins and recognizing your achievements, even if they don’t align with traditional expectations.

WE ALSO DISCUSS

• Personal experiences with the bar exam and the emotional journey of passing or failing.
• The impact of the pandemic on personal and professional life, including parenting during lockdown.
• The role of identity in the legal profession and how to maintain authenticity while being a lawyer.

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Whitney Knox Lee is an anti-racism equity consultant and attorney who is passionate about addressing the racial wealth gap through her estate planning practice, Wills for the People. In this episode, she shares her journey from civil rights law to consulting, emphasizing the importance of culturally responsive estate planning for Black households and communities of color. Whitney also discusses the challenges of navigating wealth conversations within these communities and the need for accessible legal services.

Lawyer Side Hustles

Lawyers often seek side hustles to explore their passions, diversify their income, and create platforms for advocacy outside of traditional legal practice. Whitney Knox Lee exemplifies this approach through her podcast, Impostrix Podcast, which serves as a healing space for professionals of color navigating the complexities of race and identity in the workplace. By leveraging her legal background and personal experiences, Whitney not only addresses issues of racial toxicity but also provides a platform for others to share their stories and insights. This side hustle allows her to engage with a broader audience while fulfilling her commitment to anti-racism and equity.

“You can do whatever you want, because as we've discussed, it's the JD that's the power,” shares Whitney Knox Lee in Episode 159 of You Are a Lawyer.

Whitney emphasizes the importance of pursuing one's interests beyond the confines of a legal career. This perspective encourages lawyers to embrace their unique skills and experiences, using them to create meaningful projects that resonate with their values. Whether through podcasts, consulting, or other entrepreneurial ventures, side hustles can empower lawyers to redefine their professional identities and contribute to social change in impactful ways.

LISTEN TO LEARN

• The importance of estate planning, particularly for Black households and communities of color.
• How wealth equity gaps affect financial planning and the significance of creating wills.
• Strategies for normalizing conversations about money and wealth within families and communities.

WE ALSO DISCUSS

• Whitney's journey from civil rights attorney to anti-racism equity consultant and estate planning advocate.
• The cultural challenges surrounding discussions of wealth and financial literacy in communities of color.
• The systemic barriers that contribute to the wealth gap and how estate planning can help address these issues.

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Gordon Firemark, a media producer and lawyer based in Los Angeles, shares his journey from television sports production to running an entertainment law practice in this episode. As the go-to expert for podcast-related legal matters, Gordon discusses his experience in podcasting and teaching entertainment law. He also delves into his diverse career, including producing shows, practicing law, and teaching courses on entertainment and intellectual property law.

Lawyer Side Hustles

Gordon Firemark, a media producer and lawyer, shared his experience of balancing multiple roles, including running an entertainment law practice, teaching courses, and producing podcasts. He emphasized the importance of staying interested in different areas and finding excitement in helping people across various spectrums. Gordon's approach to having multiple jobs reflects a non-linear career path that allows for continuous growth and learning opportunities.

“My destination is to enjoy the journey,” shares Gordon Firemark in Episode 159 of You Are a Lawyer.

Gordon's story serves as a testament to the benefits of having a side business as a lawyer. By engaging in various activities such as teaching, producing shows, and running a law practice, he has been able to maintain a sense of excitement and interest in his work. His ability to balance different roles while still being present for his family showcases the flexibility and fulfillment that side hustles can offer legal professionals. Gordon's journey exemplifies how having a side business can not only enhance one's career but also provide a sense of purpose and enjoyment in the legal profession.

LISTEN TO LEARN

• The importance of positioning oneself as an expert in a specific field through podcasting
• The different aspects of entertainment law and the peculiarities of the entertainment industry
• The benefits and challenges of working in live theater, TV production, and podcasting

WE ALSO DISCUSS

• Gordon's experience as a media producer and lawyer, and how he uses his background in television sports production in his entertainment law practice
• The evolution of Gordon's podcast, "Entertainment Law Update," and his role as the "podcast lawyer”
• Gordon's daily routine, which involves creating content, practicing law, and teaching courses on entertainment law and intellectual property

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Karla Aghedo owns a bookstore, homeschools her children, writes books and works as an attorney. Through her experience in law school and practice, Karla emphasizes the value of finding solutions and building a supportive team to navigate challenges effectively. Listen as Karla discusses her passion for wellness and education and the impact of her law degree on her diverse endeavors.

Lawyer Side Hustles

Side hustles have become increasingly popular among lawyers looking to diversify their income streams and pursue their passions outside traditional legal practice. Karla Aghedo, a seasoned attorney specializing in white-collar criminal defense, has successfully ventured into multiple side businesses while maintaining her legal career. As the owner of her law firm, an executive wellness mindset coach, and the proprietor of a Christian bookstore called SisStore Joy, Karla exemplifies the entrepreneurial spirit many lawyers aspire to embody.

“When it's frustrating, when it's tiring, when it's overwhelming, you press anyway, and you just decide, like, this is what I want, and so this is what I'm going to do,” shares Karla Aghedo in Episode 157 of You Are a Lawyer.

Karla's journey showcases the possibilities for lawyers to explore diverse interests and create successful side businesses alongside their legal careers. By leveraging her problem-solving skills and analytical mindset honed through law school and legal practice, Karla navigated entrepreneurship challenges with resilience and adaptability. Her commitment to empowering professional women through wellness coaching and providing a platform for authors to share their work reflects her dedication to making a meaningful impact beyond the courtroom.

LISTEN TO LEARN

• The importance of problem-solving skills and analytical thinking gained from law school and how they can be applied in various aspects of life
• The value of perseverance and determination in pursuing one's goals, even in challenging circumstances
• The benefits of creating solutions to problems and taking the initiative to address needs in different areas, such as wellness coaching, owning a bookstore, and homeschooling

WE ALSO DISCUSS

• Karla's journey from being a prosecutor to starting her law firm and branching out into entrepreneurship, wellness coaching, and owning a bookstore
• The inspiration behind Karla's wellness workshops for women and the impact of reclaiming power through wellness
• The role of law school in shaping problem-solving skills, confidence, and the ability to build effective teams in various endeavors

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Taylor Tieman shares her journey from transitioning from civil litigation to starting her own law firm focused on transactional law, entertainment, and intellectual property. She discusses her unique approach to running LegalMiga Law PC, including offering subscription-based legal services and a template library to make legal assistance more accessible to business owners. Taylor's innovative mindset and commitment to providing affordable legal solutions showcase the possibilities of utilizing a law degree beyond traditional paths.

Lawyer Side Hustles

The Legalmiga Library is a template educational library aimed at providing affordable legal resources to business owners. Taylor recognized the need for a middle ground solution for clients who couldn't afford custom legal services but still required essential legal documents. The library offers attorney-drafted templates that allow business owners to access necessary contracts and agreements at a lower cost than custom drafting. By creating the Legalmiga Library, Taylor has not only addressed the access to justice gap but also demonstrated a proactive approach to serving a wider range of clients who may not have the budget for traditional legal services.

“There's more people running solo practices than I think we are thinking about when we're in law school,” shares Taylor Tieman in Episode 156 of You Are a Lawyer.

Taylor's journey from civil litigation to starting her own firm specializing in transactional law and intellectual property showcases the possibilities for lawyers to carve out unique niches. Taylor's success in creating Legalmiga Law PC and offering subscription-based legal services and template libraries exemplifies how lawyers can blend their legal skills with entrepreneurship to build successful side ventures.

LISTEN TO LEARN

• The benefits of subscription-based legal services and the impact on revenue predictability for a law firm
• The significance of Legalmiga library, providing attorney-drafted templates for affordable legal solutions
• The importance of setting travel goals and making time for personal interests

WE ALSO DISCUSS

• Taylor's journey in creating a unique and approachable law firm brand, Legalmiga, and the meaning behind the name
• The challenges and rewards of running a solo law practice and the importance of pushing boundaries for community access to legal services
• The balance between traditional office space and remote work preferences in the legal profession

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Ashley Menzies Babatunde shares her journey from white-collar investigations to Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) work within big law firms. In this episode, she discusses the importance of authenticity in the workplace, the evolution of corporate culture towards acceptance, and the significance of following one's curiosity to find purpose and success in the legal field. Ashley's insights inspire young lawyers and law students to embrace their creativity and take risks in their legal careers.

Lawyer Side Hustles

Ashley Menzies Babatunde shared her journey of transitioning into a role focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) within the legal context. She emphasized the importance of following one's curiosity and interests to find a path aligned with purpose. Ashley's experience highlights how legal skills can be applied in various fields, such as marketing, business, or government, showcasing the versatility of a law degree.

“I think lawyers are so, they're so smart and interesting and capable... understanding that it can be done. And so many of us are doing it,” shares Ashley Menzies Babatunde in Episode 155 of You Are a Lawyer.

Ashley's story also underscores the value of pursuing side businesses as a lawyer. She mentioned the importance of authenticity and honesty in professional settings. This authenticity can extend to side hustles, allowing lawyers to explore their passions and interests outside their legal careers. Ashley's journey of starting a podcast while working in DEI showcases how lawyers can leverage their skills and experiences to pursue entrepreneurial endeavors.

LISTEN TO LEARN

• How to bring authenticity to your work and navigate cultural norms in professional settings
• The value of embracing creativity and taking risks as a lawyer to explore different opportunities
• The importance of following your curiosity and interests to find a career path aligned with your purpose

WE ALSO DISCUSS

• The evolution of diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives in the legal industry
• Personal stories of transitioning careers and finding passion in storytelling and DEI work
• Insights on balancing work, podcasting, and personal life, including the experience of being a new parent

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Mathew Kerbis, the innovative subscription attorney, shared insights on his unique subscription-based legal services for freelancers and small business owners in this episode. He discussed his transition from litigation to transactional law, the inspiration behind starting his law practice, and the importance of access to justice through his subscription model. Tune in to learn more about how Mathew is revolutionizing the legal field with his innovative business model.

Lawyer Side Hustles

Mathew Kerbis, the Subscription Attorney, shared his experience of starting his virtual law practice with a subscription-based model while running a podcast. He emphasized the importance of thinking like a lawyer and learning about business and entrepreneurship outside law school.

“Law school doesn't teach you how to do that. It teaches you how to think like a lawyer, which works, and I've come around on that a little bit, but since law school is so lacking in that area, I've just consumed as much as I can about running a business and how to be efficient and all that,” shares Mathew Kerbis in Episode 154 of You Are a Lawyer.

Having a side business as a lawyer can provide additional income and opportunities for personal and professional growth. Mathew's journey from a litigator to a transactional attorney and entrepreneur showcases the possibilities of pursuing side hustles in the legal field. By leveraging his legal expertise and passion for performance arts, Mathew created a unique business model that caters to freelancers and small business owners.

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Steven Weigler shares his diverse career journey, from working in criminal law in Miami to founding his startup focused on education. He discusses the importance of taking risks, building relationships, and being open to new opportunities, emphasizing the value of your legal education in navigating various career paths. Steven's insights highlight the versatility of a law degree and the importance of being adaptable in the ever-changing legal landscape.

Lawyer Side Hustles

Steven's journey from working in criminal law to starting his own company showcases the versatility of a law degree in pursuing entrepreneurial endeavors. He emphasizes the importance of being open to taking risks and exploring different career paths, even if they may not align with the typical trajectory of a lawyer's career. Steven's experience highlights the value of leveraging legal skills and critical thinking in diverse industries like e-commerce and business consulting.

“You have to go and talk to people and find out how they got there,” shares Steven Weigler in Episode 153 of You Are a Lawyer.

Lawyers can gain valuable insights into different industries and potential side hustle opportunities by engaging with mentors and industry experts. Steven's advice encourages lawyers to proactively seek advice and learn from those who have successfully navigated non-traditional career paths, ultimately empowering them to pursue side businesses with confidence and strategic planning.

LISTEN TO LEARN

• The importance of being open to taking risks and exploring different career paths with a law degree
• The value of networking and seeking advice from successful individuals in various industries
• The significance of being trainable and adaptable when transitioning to a new career outside of law

WE ALSO DISCUSS

• Steven’s journey from criminal law to corporate counsel in telecommunications to starting his own law firm focusing on e-commerce and IP law
• The challenges and rewards of working in the e-commerce industry, particularly in dealing with counterfeits and international clients
• Advice for young lawyers and law students on navigating their legal careers and considering alternative career paths

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