You Are A Lawyer: Take Risks and Change Careers in Law

LISTEN TO LEARN

• Why law school doesn't teach anything about running a business
• Law firms do not have to be elitist
• People underestimate all the work it takes to become successful

WE ALSO DISCUSS

• The benefits of interning in law school
• Most lawyers don't know what kind of law they want to practice
• How to problem solve while being outside (and surfing, biking, hiking, or swimming)

Watch this interview with Jonathan Rosenfeld on YouTube: https://youtu.be/QDf2gvSL1kI

After interning with a personal injury law firm, Jonathan Rosenfeld realized that this practice area was great for him. Jonathan continued to work with various personal injury law firms to gain more experience with mass tort cases, truck or car accidents, dog bites, and other class action suits.

The true magic of personal injury law is that any person, of any age or occupation, can be involved in a personal injury accident.

Jonathan Rosenfeld began recording YouTube videos and podcasts to better explain personal injury law. With greater knowledge, clients will understand the flow of personal injury actions and the patience needed for class action suits. An added benefit to creating content about legal issues is that Jonathan is also advertising for his law firm.

In this episode, Jonathan Rosenfeld encourages lawyers to work hard and not rest on their school accolades.

"Your J.D. is just a piece of paper," exclaims Jonathan Rosenfeld. Jonathan insists that becoming successful requires hard work after law school. Regardless of whether you enjoyed law school or found it easy, you must create the career that you want when you are away from the classroom.

Jonathan continues, "people who are successful, who have long-term success, put in so much work that you would never believe it." We discuss how much time and effort is needed to become an overnight success because success is not easy to obtain.

Jonathan Rosenfeld is licensed to practice law in Illinois. Learn more about Jonathan Rosenfeld:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanrosenfeld/

Website: https://www.rosenfeldinjurylawyers.com/

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EPISODE TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - INTRO

00:20 - WELCOME TO YAAL

00:56 - INTRODUCE YOURSELF

01:48 - YOU'RE A FOODIE

02:04 - JONATHAN'S BACKGROUND

04:31 - PARENTS SUGGESTED LAW SCHOOL

05:06 - IS LAW SCHOOL HELP YOUR BUSINESS

06:36 - BIZ LAW CLASSES ARE ELECTIVES

07:33 - WHY PERSONAL INJURY LAW?

08:40 - WHY CREATE YOUR OWN FIRM?

10:29 - IS A JD IMPRESSIVE?

12:05 - RESULTS ARE IMPRESSIVE

13:07 - WHY SO LAID BACK?

14:05 - WORK/LIFE BALANCE

14:27 - ADVICE FOR NEW LAWYERS?

15:47 - SUCCESS TAKES WORK

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LISTEN TO LEARN

• Why you need to define your values while obtaining success
• How to advocate for yourself
• Why Suzi planned to become a pediatrician
• The challenges of patent prosecution

WHAT ALSO DISCUSS

• Advice if you are practicing law and miserable (hint: it's not YOU)
• How to identify S.M.A.R.T. goals for your life
• Why [most] lawyers hate math

Law school teaches people to advocate for causes they're passionate about, but women lawyers often forget themselves. The giving, or empathetic nature, of most women allows them to be given to their own deficit, but not anymore.

Suzi Hixon wants women lawyers to fight for themselves, support themselves, and define success for themselves."You must define success for yourself because otherwise, you will look for the big career, big office, and beautiful family that society tells you that you must have," explains Suzi Hixon in Episode 69 of You Are A Lawyer.

You must define success for yourself because otherwise, you will look for the big career, big office, and beautiful family that society tells you that you must have.

When you take a step back and think about how your goals and values affect your life, then you will see how your life is successful.

"You can always earn another $500, but you cannot get your time back," explains Suzi Hixon. When Suzi Hixon created the podcast, Legally Blissed Conversations, to hear the struggles and wins of women lawyers. There were often common stories of successful women who weren't the best at advocating for themselves.

Where are your drive for success and career goals really coming from? Do you want all of those things and are the things you are chasing aligning with your values?

From childhood, Suzi thought that she would be a veterinarian or pediatrician, Suzi did not earn the grades that she thought she needed for medical school and Suzi was disheartened by the MCAT. Born in Colorado, Suzi later moved to Kentucky to attend undergraduate and law school. Suzi moved to California and returned to Kentucky where she runs her law firm and founded the Legalled Blissed community.

The Legally Blissed Community provides women lawyers with mentorship and friendship, both help women attorneys to thrive in their careers and lives.

After attending law school so that she could extend her undergrad years, Suzi was unsure of the type of law that she wanted to practice after law school.

During a study abroad semester, Suzi was introduced to European patent law and found that to be really interesting. But patent law is really steeped in mechanical engineering and didn't play well with the science background that Suzi has. Suzi later changed to trademark law and found it really exciting to work with trademarks, logos, and marketing departments because this work involved marketing departments and the "fun" nerds.

YOU MAY ALSO WATCH THE YOUTUBE VIDEO OF EPISODE 69 OF YOU ARE A LAWYER

EPISODE TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - INTRO

00:18 - Welcome Suzi Hixon to You Are A Lawyer

00:46 - Explain why you created your business, Legally Blissed

01:39 - Why did you create the Legally Blissed community and Legally Blissed Conversations podcast?

05:37 - Legally Blissed community teaches women lawyers to define their goals

06:38 - Podcast available in audio-only format

07:06 - Suzi became a lawyer instead of a pediatrician

08:46 - Discussion about undergraduate school and backgrounds

09:53 - Why it's hard for lawyers to change

10:39 - Where do you live? Where are you from?

12:18 - How was the patent bar and working in patent prosecution?

13:24 - Studying abroad in law school

15:04 - Lawyers are nerds; engineers are geeks

16:30 - Advice for new lawyers (5 years or less practicing)

18:53 - There are multiple reasons that you are miserable practicing law: consider law firm culture, change the practice area, or find a new career/law mentor.

19:16 - Thanks for watching this interview with Suzi Hixon on the You Are A Lawyer podcast.

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ABOUT THE GUEST

Suzi Hixon is licensed to practice law in Kentucky and the Patent Bar. Learn more about Suzi Hixon:

Website: www.LegallyBlissed.comPodcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legally-blissed-conversations/id1615972092

ABOUT THE PODCAST

You Are A Lawyer is hosted by Kyla Denanyoh. Follow the podcast:

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Subscription-based law firms are shaking up the legal practice in BIG ways. Many actions that lawyers complete, drafting documents, reviewing files, monitoring trademarks, etc. can be paid for on a subscription model and Mathew Kerbis wants to convince you of this.

And you will believe him. Kerbis, as he prefers to be called, even shared the magic of subscription-based legal service with his employer. The insurance defense company ultimately decided to keep their billable hour requirements, but this did not deter Kerbis.

Transparent pricing, transparent agreements, and having the feeling that you could do this; you could be a subscription attorney, is Kerbis' model. Imagine not being billed when your attorney is researching an issue. This a task that could be 80% of the time spent by an attorney while working on your case. Kerbis does not bill for this task because he will take that research and use it for his Knowledge Base which allows him to serve more clients who could potentially have that same question.

"Engagement agreements are an earned fee immediately, the opposite of a retainer fee, where the client is billing against the retained money," explains Kerbis.

Chair of the Law Student Division of the ABA (like being president of the group and traveling to learn more about law students). Then ran for Chair of the Young Lawyers Division. The entire purpose was to find ways to innovate the legal practice and find ways to make members of the American Bar Association, Kerbis was a member of the young lawyers' division founding podcast team. Learning to record and edit and release podcasts. Took all that knowledge and used it to teach others bout subscription-based legal services.

Kerbis started his podcast, The Law Subscribed, to inform others about subscription-based legal services and to use his background in performing arts. The Law Subscribed is all about bringing the subscription model to legal services.

Kerbis relies on tech tools, like Calendly and time-blocking, to ensure that he prioritizes time with his family and away from work responsibilities. Working hard, working with technology, working on tasks that you enjoy, and managing your schedule in the way that you want to, makes running your own business a better option than the comforts of working a typical 9 to 5 job.

EPISODE TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - INTRO: Welcome to You Are A Lawyer hosted by Kyla Denanyoh

00:35 - Welcome to the podcast, Mathew Kerbis.

00:47 - You actually prefer to be called Kerbis. Would you tell the audience about yourself?

01:55 - I went to law school intended to work in transactional law, but podcasting has helped me when transactional law is too much writing (re: boring)

02:15 - With your litigation background, was hosting the podcast, The Law Subscribed, an easy transition for you?

03:14 - I think that having a child is a really big eye-opening situation. Would you share more details about billable hours and why you wanted to get away from that demand?

05:45 - And you're running your own law firm full-time?

06:00 - It is wild that leaving a 9-to-5 to run your own business, even if working 20 out of 24 hours, could be less work than working at a law firm with billable hours.

07:41 - Did you learn how to time block, or block scheduling, from billing your time at the law firm, or studying in law school?

09:55 - I asked about time blocking because I did that in law school and now, I live by checklists and reminders. I think time blocking is really beneficial.

12:36 - Planning your schedule and time blocking sounds like stress and anxiety management.

13:01 - Kerbis, what made you go to law school?

14:59 - A professor sparked your interest in the law. And when you were in law school did you know that you wanted to be a litigator?

17:01 - It sounds like being a litigator was a stair step to the career that you have now.

17:14 - I call the podcast You Are A Lawyer because I truly believe that everything you do in life will be viewed through the lens of a lawyer. Law school has a way of re-wiring the brain.

17:49 - Let's discuss the Law Subscribed Podcast and The Subscription Attorney LLC. Which came first, the podcast or the business?

19:35 - People thought that the subscription model was really cool but didn't understand it.

21:10 - What does it mean to have an attorney with the subscription model? Are you on retainer for every client?

22:20 - Subscription-based legal services are not retainer agreements. Subscribers with The Subscription Attorney sign engagement agreements because subscribers get immediate access to resources and Kerbis' calendar which makes an engagement agreement an earned fee.

26:05 - Is the subscription package a national service or would you make referrals to lawyers in a different state?

27:14 - A brief explanation of fractionalized in-house counsel, which does not only include business transactions. If Kerbis is unable to assist you with a family law or adoption matter, subscribers will be referred to other lawyers.

29:08 - On your website, subscriptionattorney.com mentions legal services for freelancers. Is there anything specific that you offer that a typical retainer agreement would not offer a freelancer?

32:29 - The Subscription Attorney provides access to legal services for small business owners and freelancers who would normally be priced out of the market for most legal services.

33:46 - A small business is defined as a business that makes less than two million dollars a year. The fact that you could earn big money and not have access to competent legal counsel is ridiculous.

34:31 - Kerbis, is there anything else you want to share with the audience about why you attended law school or the practice of law?

35:51 - OUTRO: Thanks for listening to the episode and rate this podcast.

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IMPORTANT LINKS FROM THE EPISODE

Book a call with The Subscription Attorney LLC: https://subscriptionattorney.com/

Law Subscribed Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/law-subscribed/id1586707101

Chicago Bar Show: https://www.chicagobar.org/chicagobar/CBA/Programs/Bar_Show_Main_Page

American Bar Association: https://www.americanbar.org/membership/

Thinking Like A Lawyer Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/above-the-law-thinking-like-a-lawyer/id976331027

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LISTEN TO LEARN

• Why fractionalized in-house counsel is the future
• The importance of time-blocking your calendar
• Best tech tools for solo law practitioners
• Every attorney sending client information through email could be committing client malpractice
• Why legal services for freelancers is an important niche market

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WHAT WE DISCUSS

• Podcasting is a wonderful medium for lawyers because of the performance aspect of
• How business owners can minimize surprises and control their time
• Lawyers (especially litigators) often enjoy the performance of law.
• The differences between engagement fees and retainer agreements

When you stop playing small, you decide that you will accept all the opportunities and blessings that life has to offer. You are always prepared, you are ready to meet any challenge, and you get excited by new experiences.

Esther Etim has opportunities thrown at her and she is prepared every single time.

The countless options excited Esther Etim:

• When Esther was unsure about studying law so she created her own mentorship program, Esther learned her answer because she was proactive.
• Esther Etim worked and wrote, studied, prepared, and managed her expectations for life. And life continued to surprise Esther (and me!) with the opportunities presented to her.
• When a report needed to be edited to perfection - Esther handled it.
• When a radio station asked Esther Etim to become an interviewer - Esther was ready.
• When a book publisher created an ad specifically looking for her (so cool!), Esther responded to the advertisement because she was ready.

Stop. Playing. Small! Esther will help you forget that you know the word SMALL.

Currently, when Esther Etim is not writing multicultural fiction, she is producing a movie about how she is not "Nigerian enough" for some people.

For assistance with creating a legal career or help with building a personal brand and business that you actually like visit www.estheretim.org/links.

LISTEN TO LEARN:

• How to prepare in undergraduate school to become a lawyer (LLB)
• The challenge of looking for a job during the 2008 global recession
• How to use your law background as a blogger
• The importance of Lagos in Nigerian entertainment and media

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WE ALSO DISCUSS:

• How to deal with one-sided and selfish friendships
• Studying law in the United Kingdom versus Nigeria
• Working as a writer on a reality television show
• Why you need to create a blogazine

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EPISODE TIMESTAMPS

00:00:00 - INTRO: Welcome to You Are A Lawyer and Introduction of Esther Etim

00:00:46 - Explanation of the LLB degree and studying law in the United Kingdom

00:05:15 - Explanation of attending law school in the United States of America

00:05:51 - Without the bar exam, it often feels like your law degree is not worth anything

00:06:42 - What was the incentive or advantage of attending law school in the United Kingdom vs Nigeria

00:07:44 - Explanation of standardized exams and their importance in education in the United States

00:08:25 - Graduated from secondary school at 16 and attended law school at 21. Is this track typical of students in Nigeria?

00:09:28 - You decided not to practice law after finishing all of your exams. Why did you make that decision?

00:18:39 - Advertisement for The Heart-Centered Lawyers Membership from Journey & Practice

00:19:17 - The use of mental wards in criminal proceedings in the United Kingdom

00:28:25 - Discrimination because Esther did not sound Nigerian enough to work in media

00:31:13 - It sounds like you are advocating for others even though you didn't become a full solicitor advocate

00:31:28 - If you cannot find something, you must create it

00:31:34 - Your privilege is not always about you

00:31:57 - Esther listened to the You Are A Lawyer podcast and thought, "How can I participate and help others?" and pitched herself to be a guest on this podcast

00:32:10 - Your story will resonate with others and challenge them to say, "Am I doing everything I can in my life?" or "Why aren't I doing more?"

00:33:01 - Work hard because you never know who is watching; your enemies or your next opportunity

00:33:47 - Why are you teaching other women to say 'No?" Why was it so important that you learned how to say no?

00:37:16 - Women are always rationalizing responses or emotions, but No is a complete sentence

00:37:28 - Are you still writing your BEFFTA award-winning blog?

00:37:46 - You wouldn't take too much time away from writing because writers need to write

00:38:15 - Do all of the stuff!

00:38:19 - Esther, is there anything else you want to share with the audience?

Esther Etim: First, don't be afraid to ask questions. Second, don't be afraid to start where you are. And Third, learn to recognize people, things, and situations for what they are, not what your ego or emotions would prefer, and treat them accordingly.

00:39:24 - OUTRO: Rate the podcast and tell a friend to listen to You Are A Lawyer

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Esther Etim is not licensed to practice law. Learn more about Esther Etim:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chioma-esther-edem-etim-ce3/

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What was the highlight of my day? What did I do really well? What could I do more of? How could I be even better? What decisions did I make? How could that impact me mentally?

Charlène Gisèle asks herself these questions every day and believes that if you don't start your day with a bit of self-care, then you probably won't do it. After experiencing burnout, Charlène decided to become a burnout prevention expert and help others avoid burnout.

As a child, Charlène Gisèle knew that she wanted to be a lawyer. She watched her father work as a high-achieving lawyer and Charlène wanted the same career for herself.

But after her father had a heart attack and stroke, Charlène reconsidered her priorities. Although Charlène experienced anxiety, insomnia, and a deteriorated marriage, it wasn't until she saw her father suffer, that Charlène truly understand burnout.

Charlène explains that suffering with mental health issues is unlike any other illness because no one can see your pain. "You do not walk around with a bandage or cast on your head," in the way you would have a cast on your leg or arm when you are injured. But Charlène is adamant that burnout must be treated as seriously as any other illness.

It was with great difficulty that Charlène decided to leave her Big Law office. Charlène spent so much time studying at Cambridge University (United Kingdom) and learning the law, but it was time for Charlène to learn about work-life balance.

Charlène Gisèle created a consulting company, Charlène Gisèle, where she and two associates, coach lawyers and C-suite executives to remain high-achieving professionals.

Two or three minutes of breathwork or reflection after a big meeting will really help high-achieving lawyers and executives avoid burnout. In fact, creating these micro habits are better than taking a 3-week holiday. Creating consistent self-care micro habits allows you to learn habits that will serve you for the rest of your life in addition to helping you avoid burnout.

Charlène is able to help high-achievers change their mindsets about self-care because she negotiates with them and explains that your well-being affects your performance. "When you must bridge the gap between how you react to things and how you feel, your micro habits will impact you," says Charlène Gisèle.

Charlène Gisèle serves clients in Asia, America, and Europe and has fluctuating schedules that allow her to get adequate rest while meeting clients in these varying time zones.

Charlène credits law school with teaching her persistence and resistance, two traits that Charlène continues to use every day even though she has left Big Law.

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Listen to learn:

• How to serve clients in multiple time zones without overworking yourself
• The importance of leaning into your inner cheerleader
• How resilience and precision allowed Charlène to create her business

We also discuss:

• How to define a Big Law firm
• Best career choices if you have a JD and want to avoid burnout
• Why self-awareness work impacts your performance

Episode Timestamps00:00 - INTRO 00:45 What's the difference between a barrister and a litigator or solicitor in the UK? 01:45 Are American Big Law firms the same as Big Law firms in the UK? 02:21 Silver Circle and Magic Circle Law Firm Description 02:42 Did you encounter high stress, high demands, and long hours in Big Law? 03:37 How young were you when you decided to attend law school? What's your background? 04:56 did watching your dad become stressed out as a lawyer inspire you to help other lawyers avoid this path? 07:59 Is your dad doing better since his health concerns? 08:45 You can also listen to this podcast at youarealawyer.com 09:09 What's a typical day for a performance coach? 12:50 What is powering down? How can you Power Down and stop negative backtalk? 14:09 How to progress professionally and personally? 14:30 Did you learn all of this in your training? 16:05 How difficult is it for lawyers to admit they're performing poorly? 16:17 How did you decide to leave Big Law? 19:47 Do annual vacations enough to improve my mental health? 22:12 What did you learn in law school that makes you a better lawyer? 25:24 Are you French and living in the UK?

Charlène Gisèle practiced law in the United Kingdom. Learn more about Charlène Gisèle:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/charlenegisele/

Website: www.charlenegisele.com

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Alban Brooke -

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Robert Ingalls is the Chief Podcast Strategist of LawPods, a full-service podcast production company for lawyers. After a book led him to a podcast, Robert was impressed by the numerous podcast topics and diverse content offerings. Robert Ingalls began his own podcast, then consulted with others about how to start their podcasts. Later, Robert Ingalls used his experience to create LawPods and take the stress out of podcasting for lawyers.

Listen to learn:

• Why changing your mindset can change your life
• The importance of changing your career if your mental health suffers while practicing law
• How others turn their hobbies into their passions

We also discuss:

• The book Mindset by Carol Dweck
• Best career choices if you have a JD and enjoy storytelling and talking
• Why working in different legal practice areas may benefit you

Robert Ingalls is licensed to practice law in North Carolina. Learn more about Robert Ingalls:

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Website: www.lawpods.com

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Kyla Denanyoh shares TWO big announcements in this bonus episode of You Are A Lawyer. Listen to find out what was special about Season Four and what to expect in Season Five of the podcast.

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Nicole Kobis became a family lawyer and mediator after a clerkship sparked her interest in this legal field. After realizing that she could advocate for families with malice or deceit, Nicole Kobis used her mediation training to ensure that family members were protected and treated with respect and dignity in every divorce, separation, or other family law proceeding.

Listen to learn:

• How compartmentalizing allows you to prioritize clients and protect your mental health
• The importance of the Women's Rights Law Reporter at Rutgers School of Law-Newark
• How improving your listening skills can make you a better lawyer

We also discuss:

• Best career choices if you have a JD and are empathetic
• How to counsel your clients without getting overwhelmed
• Why lawyers must deal with the stresses of practicing law

Nicole Kobis is licensed to practice law in New York and New Jersey.

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Joel Oster became a comedian so that he could keep his CLE students awake. After realizing that he enjoyed making people laugh, Joel Oster began to study how to be funny, the art of writing jokes, and attending comedy open mic nights. All of this occurred while Joel Oster is practicing law. Listen to find out why your JD can make you stand out, even as a comedian.

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• What it means to identify as a lawyer
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• How to become a better comedian

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• Why the law is a tool and how to use it to advocate
• The importance of litigating before the Supreme Court
• Best career choices if you have a JD and are really funny

Joel Oster is licensed to practice law in Kansas, Florida, and Missouri.

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Anne-Marie Rabago founded Modern Juris, a legal incubator that she could mold and guide because other incubators were too restrictive. After realizing that many lawyers lacked the practical skills needed to practice law and sustain their businesses, Anne-Marie Rabago filled the void in the market with her own experience. Now, Anne-Marie Rabago teaches lawyers to work with the clients they **want** and to structure their lives to sustain their businesses and later, thrive in business.

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• How a legal incubator helps you understand the business of law practice
• The importance of identifying and declining the wrong clients
• How to recognize burnout and pivot in your career

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• How to create a sustainable business instead of a successful business
• Best career choices if you have a JD and entrepreneur mindset
• Why proactive problem-solving is more beneficial than reactive lawyering

Anne-Marie Rabago is licensed to practice law in Texas and California.

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You Are A Lawyer is hosted by Kyla Denanyoh. Follow the podcast:

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