She wrote a song about marathon runners and sprained ankles before she was even a runner, so of course we had to have Julien Baker on the show. Julien is a songwriter from Nashville, and part of boygenius (with Phoebe Bridgers and Lucy Dacus). We loved hearing her perspective on running and talking about music and Netflix and everything in between (25:14). We also talk about the APL Streamline and Saucony Endorphin Speed 2 Runshield (13:50).

Catch Julien Baker on her North American fall tour (dates can be found on www.julienbaker.com). Songs in this episode can be found on all streaming platforms.

"Sprained Ankle" from Sprained Ankle by Julien Baker

"Faith Healer" from Little Oblivions by Julien Baker

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