You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist

100. How to Rescue Your Child From the Gender Cult: Gabrielle Clark on Desistance Coaching


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Gabrielle helped her daughter escape the cult. Now, as a Desistance Coach, she helps other parents find ways to reach their ideologically captured children too. Meanwhile, my career has taken a similar direction, as I’ve devoted a significant portion of my energy toward helping parents of youth with Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) as a communication skills consultant.


Today, we discuss the challenges parents face in today's school system, where Critical Race Theory has a divisive impact on diverse families such as Gabrielle’s; so-called “Social Emotional Learning” is antithetical to its name; and victim/oppressor narratives incentivize children to go to war with their own sexed bodies. What can parents do when their rights to protect their children are under attack?


Join us as we uncover the importance of trust in instincts and the power of nature in shaping a child's perspective. How can a change in environment and engaging in hands-on challenges help children build confidence and resilience? We discuss the regional differences in cultural norms, from the West Coast's liberal acceptance to New England's view of rebellion. And what about the rise of gender ideology in Christian homeschooling families in red states? Tune in to discover the impact of societal influences on our children's identities and the role of parents in guiding them through these turbulent times.


Gabrielle Clark fights indoctrination in the K-12 educational setting. Both her school aged children were affected by indoctrination in different ways. One harmed by CRT. One harmed by SEL. She fought back starting with CRT indoctrination. Her son was discriminated against at school. They filed the first federal lawsuit against indoctrination in America. 


While she was raising awareness about CRT, her daughter was socially transitioned through the SEL program. She organized a plan to facilitate a safe environment for her daughter to desist. The Affirming Reality methodology helps people parent their children into desistance.

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Books mentioned in this episode:

Hold On To Your Kids by Gabor Maté and Gordon Neufeld


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00:00 Start

[00:03:25] Fighting indoctrination in schools.

[00:06:12] Identity and mixed-race families.

[00:12:23] Social Transition Consequences

[00:14:47] Children's mental health struggles.

[00:19:47] Personality changes in youth.

[00:25:07] Benefits of Wonderment in Nature.

[00:28:06] Connecting with nature to heal.

[00:33:50] Identity and privilege realization.

[00:36:47] Building confidence through challenges.

[00:41:17] Challenges of being the opposite sex.

[00:42:46] Gender expectations and appearance.

[00:47:38] Regional cultural differences.

[00:52:31] Gender ideology in red states.

[00:55:04] Boundaries in parenting.

[01:00:18] Teaching priorities and character building.

[01:03:43] Unplugging for nature detox.

[01:09:30] Strategic Apologizing.

[01:11:32] Watchful waiting parenting advice.

[01:16:24] Pronouns as a gateway drug.

[01:19:48] Solution-focused approach for families.

[01:22:49] Self-care reminder.



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