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Aaron and Erwin McManus unveil a new Arena Space for pastors and ministry leaders, offering weekly two-hour sessions for spiritual growth, leadership training, and church development. Erwin explains the evolution of the Arena from a business-centered community to a ministry-focused hub designed to strengthen leaders through Scripture and shared experience. Guest Eric Johnson, former pastor at Bethel and now leading Studio Church, shares his journey of vision, transition, and rebuilding infrastructure from the ground up. He reflects on leadership timing, the challenge of backlash, and the importance of clear vision and emotional resilience when pastoring through change. Together, they discuss the delicate balance between innovation and tradition, the integration of AI tools into church systems, and the need for community-based decision-making. The conversation expands to the psychological demands of leadership, the tension between self-care and service, and the cultural shift toward emotional health in ministry. Erwin and Eric emphasize that great leadership is rooted not in preference but in purpose—requiring humility, adaptability, and a deep commitment to the people being led. The episode closes with an invitation to join the Arena Pastors Call, a space for ongoing growth, collaboration, and mentorship among spiritual leaders.

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