My guest this week is Naomi Fry, staff writer at The New Yorker.

In our wide-ranging discussion, Fry explores what pop culture can teach us about ourselves, explains why she sees herself as a writer rather than a journalist, and demands answers for how Taylor Swift accomplished what she couldn’t -- even with 25 years of therapy.
 

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NOTES

(19:20) “On Writing” by Stephen King

(21:15) “Open Book” by Jessica Simpson

(24:20) Newlyweds: Nick and Jessica

(32:03) Judee Sill (NYTimes Forgotten Obituary) 

(32:11) Pete Dello // Honeybus (Band)

(36:05) Steely Dan

(38:12 America (band)

(39:10) James Franco

(43:21) The Goop Lab with Gwyneth Paltrow (video)

(45:05) Taylor Swift (Miss Americana)

(48:00) The Fourth Estate (video)

(49:08) John Mayer on pants (video) 

(50:40) Brad Pitt’s acceptance speeches

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