Waylon talks with Francesca Perotti. They discuss how to get through really, really tough time times and feeling comfortable with our loneliness when it comes up.

"It's easy to get lost in the darkness, and get lost in victimhood...to not taking responsibility. If you're moving through darkness, if you're moving through something really hard, then hopefully you are surrounded by people who can help you see that there's light at the end of the tunnel and that this is actually happening for you, not to you."  ~ Francesca Perotti