Rewrite the Mother Code with Dr. Gertrude Lyons

143: Mothering Without A Child: New Paradigms for New Moms with Emma Miele


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In this episode, I speak with Emma Miele, an ICF-certified coach and Founder of The Breathing Room LLC, about choosing to be a mother, egg-freezing, and grieving old life visions to embrace new ones. 

The Breathing Room is not only Emma’s coaching platform but also a reminder to give ourselves breathing room to be where we naturally are in the moment and to remain curious about why we think things should be a certain way. She is a true embodiment of living what she teaches!

She shares how she is approaching the choice to be a mother. We discuss social pressures, egg freezing, and the business of birth. There’s a lot of fear-based and expensive messaging in our societies about choosing to have a child, which intentionally preys on people’s vulnerabilities about making that choice. 

Emma shares how she is currently in a grieving process for the life she thought she was going to live, which included marriage and children, to gain more space to live the life she is actually living. A person’s value is not inherently wrapped up in their childbearing status, which our culture still deeply struggles with, and Emma shares how she is rewriting this mother code.  

You’ll also hear about: 

  • (05:17) Emma’s journey from finance to coaching  
  • (12:23) Considering motherhood
  • (18:24) Emma’s anger towards egg freezing 
  • (23:58) Expanding the definition of mothering 
  • (29:52) Grieving old visions of life
  • (35:00) The truth of the moment 
  • (40:07) More choices than child or no child 
  • (47:01) Expanding possibilities

My conversation with Emma will leave you with some possibly life-changing questions for reflection. Don’t miss out!

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Resources mentioned in the episode: 

  • Scrambled (film)
  • Modern Love (TV)
  • November 2024 Lunar Embrace: A Self-Mothering Retreat

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