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In this interview episode, Zac chats with life coach, author, and speaker Will Cumby about the call journey into youth ministry, the creativity it takes to lead out in student ministry, and the importance of hearing from other perspectives. Key Takeaways: "I love to tell a great story and there is no greater story than the Gospel""It’s like the gospel of Maury Povich … You are not the Father” “Find ways to engaging without being entertaining” "In order to create change, there must be something greater than what you are going through”

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