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It's a simple, yet profound question.

Is God a person or an idea to you?

Seriously, take a moment and think about it. 

Do you really see him as a person or is he some kind of ethereal idea floating up in the heavens?

For a lot of us - if we're being honest with ourselves - tend to think of him in non-personal terms. 

He's this force or idea up above. 

Yes, we talk to him on occasion. We ask him for things. We even praise him and receive him in the Eucharist.

But do we know him as a person?

And if not, how can we do that? How can we develop a truly personal, transformative relationship with the Lord?

Well, who better than to ask than a former hermit about how to truly commune with God?

Fr. Wayne Sattler - a former hermit and spiritual director for his entire diocese - is going to help us deepen our relationship with Christ on this powerful episode of the Art of Catholic podcast.

You do NOT want to miss it.

Taking a deep dive into the subject of his new book, Remain in Me and I in You, my wide-ranging conversation with Father Sattler includes:  

• How to know God as a person, not just an idea
• What really happens in contemplative prayer 
• The crucial difference between agape love and eros
• Why some people never attain higher prayer
• What Christ really meant when he said, "Follow me"
• The fundamental requirement for truly serving God
• And much more!