Whoever wants to be a disciple must follow Jesus Christ's example of giving His life to do God's will. Believers should not seek life in their personal pleasures or pursuits, but will find true life when they give their lives away to God. The language of this passage about saving and losing the soul is actually talking about losing one's essential life, not one's salvation. This interpretation comes from a consistent use of the word sometimes translated "soul" but is better translated "life." Charlie explains what it means to find life by losing it and how this leads to gaining rewards from the Lord. This message was preached at a Free Grace Alliance regional conference at Emmanuel Baptist Church in Starkville, MS. This passage is also discussed in Charlie's book, Grace, Salvation, and Discipleship available in the GraceLife.org bookstore https://gracelife-ministries.square.site/product/grace-salvation-and-discipleship/6?cs=true&cst=custom.