If your church is shrinking, struggling, or just doesn’t look like it used to—it can feel like failure. But what if it’s not?

In this episode, we talk honestly about fear, change, and what actually makes a church vibrant (hint: it’s not numbers). Because while buildings close, callings don’t—and Jesus isn’t panicking.

You’ll hear:

1. Why panic isn’t a strategy—and what to focus on instead
2. How to grieve well without getting stuck in it
3. What to do when the youth group disappears (or never existed)
4. What influence looks like when you have no title or team

Let’s shift from fear to purpose—and start showing up like it still matters.

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