Kerry Lutz and John Rubino delve into pressing economic issues, predicting a looming crisis driven by rising mortgage rates and increasing retail store closures. They argue the necessity for significant government intervention, similar to the pandemic-era stimulus measures, to mitigate the economic downturn. The conversation also explores the unique challenges facing retailers, especially in California, where lax laws on shoplifting complicate business operations. Additionally, they discuss the controversial "weaponization" of the criminal justice system, suggesting its impact on social order and business environment. Rubino and Lutz propose radical ideas for government restructuring, such as firing government employees in alphabetical order and maintaining only essential workers during crises. They emphasize the importance of essential services, including police, road maintenance, and waste management, referencing similar strategies from Argentina and El Salvador. Political dynamics also take center stage as they speculate on potential vice presidential candidates for Donald Trump, particularly focusing on Ron DeSantis. They consider how political issues, notably abortion, could influence upcoming elections. Find John's work here: Rubino.Substack.com Find Kerry here: FSN and here: inflation.cafe