In what has been one of the most dramatic, dangerous and consequential stages of the war, Saul and Patrick react to the latest developments of a very dynamic situation which is constantly evolving.

With many dangerous thresholds crossed and red lines violated, they look at what this means as reportedly for the first time ever Russia has fired a ICBM at Ukraine. This in retaliation for the first use of a British made Storm Shadow cruise missile against a target inside Russia and the first use of US supplied ATACMs missiles earlier in the week.

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Producer: James Hodgson

Twitter: @PodBattleground

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