Welcome back to Behind Greatness. We had loads of fun in this conversation. Robert Wagonner joins us from his home in the Midwest. He is a veteran lucid dreamer, having taught himself how to do it in the '70s and never looked back. Robert elaborates on the lucid state as being an educational system. He discussed "buzzing" while having an out of body experience as a young boy, his brother's book and the Monroe Institute, flying through his neighborhood, house cats and mountain lions. We hear about the mysterious "N4" (144), the mentally mediated realm, following the creativity and the blue light. We explore the magic of goofiness, fear, becoming an electron, the search for inherent evil, Daoist societies, "going the distance" and the voluntary death experience. What a trip.

"Doubt is gravity".

Robert,

• Website + Books: https://www.lucidadvice.com/
• Other: https://www.lucid-dreaming-advice.com/about-robert
• Lucid Dreaming Foundation: https://www.luciddreamingfoundation.org/#1

[CORRECTION – The Monroe Institute initially helped Joe McMoneagle to control his OBEs]

Episodes mentioned:

• Joe McMoneagle, ep 198, 199, 200, 210, 215, 218 and Athena Laz, ep 100

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