The Curbsiders Teach

25: #25 Turning Indirect Patient Care Activities into Teachable Moments with Danielle O'Toole, MD and Meredith Vanstone, PhD

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Drs. Danielle O’Toole and Meredith Vanstone of McMaster University join us this week to talk about their recent publication Optimizing the Educational Value of Indirect Patient Care.  Indirect patient care activities (IPCAs) have been highlighted as a component of the hidden curriculum in medical education as well as a significant source of physician burnout. We discuss the importance of exposing trainees to the realities of IPCAs, reframing IPCAs as educational opportunities, and incorporating IPCAs into curriculum via Dr. O’Toole’s Five E’s.  

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Show Segments

  • Intro, disclaimer, guest bio
  • Guests one-liners
  • Picks of the Week
  • Indirect Patient Care Activities (IPCAs) and Burnout 
  • Acknowledging Educational Value of IPCAs
  • Basics of the study
  • Surprising findings
  • Identity as a learner vs apprentice
  • A curriculum for IPCAs
  • The 5Es
  • Boundaries
  • Take home points
  • Outro

    • Credits

    • Producers/Writers/Hosts/CME: Molly Heublein MD, Era Kryzhanovskaya MD 
    • Infographic & Cover Art: Paige Spata
    • Show notes: Paige Spata, Molly Heublein MD
    • Editing: (audio) Pod Paste (written materials): Charlotte Chaiklin, MD
    • Guests: Danielle O’Toole MD, Meredith Vanstone PhD

      • Full transcript available HERE


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