Dominic and Cymene marvel at April snow and the ice cream stylings of Ben and Jerry. Then (8:28) we welcome Dan Sosna to the podcast to discuss his new book, Europe's Disappearing Waste (Berghahn, 2026). We dive into his background in archaeology and what attracted him to landfill in the first place, how wastepicking can be viewed as a practice of "quiet sustainability", and the differences between circular economy as a bureaucratic project and an embodied project. We move from there to tech futurism's genocidal quality, what the effort to disappear waste really means and why landfill spaces have exhibited haunted, magnetic, strange qualities throughout history. Hang in there, everyone, peace and love.