Today's episode began with big smiles, journeyed through tears, and ended with laughter.

In this week's conversation:

• Lisa-Jo explains why her new book is an Ebenezer stone
• Christie and Lisa-Jo realize each witnessed God making things new this week
• personal stories of church hurt and church healing
• what it looks like when God makes the sad things of life un-true 

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