Only a longtime friend can get away with asking some of the questions Christie asked Lisa-Jo today. We hope they are a balm to your own scarred places. 

In this week's conversation:

• A kind of live therapy takes place between Lisa-Jo and Christie
• Failure turns out to be a powerful catalyst for new things
• Growth looks unlike what we expect else maybe we'd never even try
• If you've ever felt like life is one wave after another and you can't catch your breath, welcome. 

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