In this Battleground Ukraine special we take you back to our last trip to Ukraine where Saul and Patrick sat down with friend of the podcast Colonel Pavlo Khazan, in his home in Kyiv.

They discuss his current role in the Ukrainian armed forces with unmanned systems and electronic warfare, what his feelings are on the prospect of a peace deal, and how he views Ukraine's future.

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Producer: James Hodgson

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