Matt and Andrea work through a range of shoes they've been testing, sharing thoughts on the direction Saucony and Brooks are heading, Andrea's track spike adventures, and a mix of recent pickups including the Asics Kayano 33 and On Cloudmonster Hyper LS. The conversation then shifts to a broader question: whether the way we currently categorize running shoes has gotten overcomplicated, using the Brooks Hyperion Max 4, Mizuno Hyperwarp Pro, Saucony Endorphin Pro 5, Endorphin Azura, and more as jumping-off points for discussion. What do you think? How do you categorize shoes? We'd love feedback! Email us at [email protected].

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Chapters

• 0:00 - Intro
• 6:18 - In for Testing: Powered by Skratch Labs
• 10:34 - Thoughts on Saucony's new shoes
• 16:42 - Thoughts on the direction Brooks is going
• 23:36 - Andrea's track spike adventures
• 26:31 - Asics Kayano 33, On Cloudmonster Hyper LS, and others
• 36:00 - Rethinking how we categorize shoes
• 40:54 - Where does the Brooks Hyperion Max 4 fit?
• 47:16 - Mizuno Hyperwarp Pro
• 50:02 - Saucony Endorphin Pro 5
• 54:02 - Endorphin Azura
• 59:08 - Brooks Hyperion Max v1
• 1:01:04 - Wrap-up