Back in episode 279 of this podcast (February 1, 2022: ‘Why work is the ideal place to talk about race’), we spoke with authors Margaret Greenberg and Gina Greenlee about their book The Business of Race. But while we talked extensively about personal experiences and inner work, we didn’t have a chance to dig into what L&D can do to promote an anti-racist workplace.

So this week on The Mind Tools L&D Podcast, Margaret and Gina are back with Ross G and Nahdia to discuss:

• The pre-work required for organizational change
• The extent to which diversity training is effective
• Tools that can help L&D promote an anti-racist workplace.

Show notes

Find out more about The Business of Race, including links to order a copy, at: businessofrace.com 

The LinkedIn page is: linkedin.com/company/the-business-of-race 

The Facebook page is: facebook.com/businessofrace 

The tools that Margaret discussed were:

• Deborah Plummer's Antiracist Style Indicator (ASI) - https://asi.dlplummer.com
• Annie E. Casey Foundation's Organizational Self-Assessment (OSA) - https://www.aecf.org/resources/race-matters-organizational-self-assessment

In 'What I Learned This Week', Nahdia recommended the Adam Curtis document The Century of Self: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEsPOt8MG7E

Gina recommended The 1619 Project: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

Margaret recommended Obasan by Joy Kagawa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obasan

Ross referenced No-No Boy by John Okada: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-No_Boy

And Ross shared that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky voiced Paddington Bear, prior to his current role: https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ukrainian-president-zelenskyukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelensky-voiced-paddington-bear-1235191660/

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Connect with our speakers

If you'd like to share your thoughts on this episode, connect with our speakers on Twitter:

• Ross Garner - @RossGarnerMT
• Nahdia Khan - @NahdiaKhan
• Gina Greenlee - @TheGinaGreenlee / LinkedIn
• Margaret Greenberg - LinkedIn