Chris and Emily Campbell discuss the convergence of design and code, and what that looks like. They walk through what a designer role looks like in a modern digital product team and Emily explains her idea that design and development are the same. They just have different approaches to the same process or medium.

Other topics the duo touch on include:

- Should designers learn to code?

- Intent around design and development, accessibility

- The importance of making intentional decisions

They also cover social commentary, economic theory, flocks of birds, and so much more!