Three decades ago, a new European state representing an old European nation appeared on the scene. Thirty years ago in the rubble of the breakup of the Soviet Union, the Ukrainian people finally achieved their dream of independence, sovereignty, and statehood. And a generation after achieving this goal, today Ukrainians are still fighting to maintain it.

The modern Ukrainian state turned 30 this week. This week’s Power Vertical Podcast looks back at its progress and ahead to its prospects as host Brian Whitmore speaks with Ambassador John Herbst, historian Marta Dyczok, and journalist Nataliya Gumenyuk.