Jon and Justin have a bunch of hot topics this week:

• Podcast advertising, user tracking, turning away customers?
• Basecamp switched their podcast (Rework) to us
• Why Marco Arment gave up on his #1 app
• $30k in MRR – how does this feel?
• Shape Up updates: “Small enough to wing it” 

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Show notes:

• The new Joker movie
• Brad Pitt's new movie: Ad Astra
• Jared Hess' movies
• Charlie Kammerer, president of Slate, on the Digiday podcast with Pierre Bienaimé
• DHH Tweet
• Marco Arment: "It just doesn't feel good"
• Justin's blog: How it feels to hit $30k
• Shape Up: Small enough to wing it

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