Carl Benjamin is a British social commentator and a former member of the Eurosceptic UK Independence Party (UKIP). He is also the founder of the Lotus Eaters media company.

Zuby and Carl discuss the UK’s ongoing decline. They begin by examining conservatism and its meaning in 2024, immigration concerns, and the opposing rationale between the left and the right. Additionally, Carl reflects on negative versus positive liberalism and concerns about liberal excess. The two also discuss what the UK would look like under Carl's leadership.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(04:11) UK decline

(09:22) Conservatism

(12:53) Immigration

(19:30) Racial essentialism

(25:56) Left/right thought processes

(33:22) Negative/positive Liberalism

(40:35) What is Conservatism?

(43:47) Western liberal excess

(53:29) What would ‘Carl Benjamin leadership’ look like: immigration

(1:05:20) Taxation

(1:07:34) Wealth & migration

(1:14:14) Societal decay & banning birth control

(1:32:55) Generational thinking

(1:40:50) Outro

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