Right when we’re in the mess and complexity of things - for example when raising children, or being in a partnership, or working alongside others - we can learn so much about what it is to be human. And it’s where we also learn the most about our own power to make a world that is better for others to live in, or worse.

In this week’s conversation we explore how we might turn everyday complexity into a deeper care for the world and the use of whatever power we each have for the benefit of those around us.

We refer in this week’s conversation to Lindsay Green and Charlie Lyons’ wonderful podcast ‘Made Possible by Parenthood’ which you can find on Spotify here.

Hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace.

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Turning Towards Life, a week-by-week conversation inviting us deeply into our lives, is a live 30 minute conversation hosted by Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn of Thirdspace.  Find us on FaceBook to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. You can find videos of every episode, and more about the project on the Turning Towards Life website, and you can also watch and listen on Instagram, YouTube, and as a podcast on Apple, Google, Amazon Music and Spotify.

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Bless This Dirty Sponge

My spiritual path is not marked out by rose petals, but dirty sponges, baby wipes, frozen peas and car keys. 

Washing up is my daily Zen practice. 

Leaving parties early to get everyone home to bed is how I learn self-discipline. 

My meditation happens while I run the bath. And sometimes at 4am while I try to get back to sleep after waking to help someone use the potty. 

My masters are unusually direct and demanding. They teach me how to live without apology and how to be right where I am. Because they know there is nowhere else. 

And at the end if the day, I give myself a cup of Hail Mary tea as I forgive myself for all of the ways I felt I fell short. Again. 

And I kiss my gurus on their tiny, wise heads and prepare myself to start all over again.

Hollie Holden

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